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Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Quantum I think was too incremental and conservative, trying to integrate Servo into Gecko. They’ve ended up making a desktop browser which is as good as Chrome, but not good enough to demand attention. Mobile, where parallelism should be most beneficial, has lagged behind, and parallel layout, which is where the real prize is, has disappeared over the horizon. Servo has been relegated to WebVR experiments which are…

ff mobile supports addons. this is HUGE!!!

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that the timeline here? In that case it was Chrome using its market position cleverly and Firefox not responding adequately. I can only speak for linux interfaces btw. Small "bullshit" interface changes can have dramatic user and marketshare impact. We can all sit around and wish the world didn't work this way but it's not going to change.

Firefox has alternatively had closer-to-curved-rects or boxy tabs for practically its whole lifetime. Chrome went heavy on diagonal-edged tabs early on, and relatively recently they've been undoing that. they're even mimicking Firefox's scrollable tab-bar since it's such an obvious win over a million super-narrow tabs that you can't possibly identify.

> they're even mimicking Firefox's scrollable tab-bar since it's such an obvious win over a million super-narrow tabs that you can't possibly identify.

The non-scrollable tabs are what I miss most about Chrome. I know I'm not in a majority there, but I wouldn't call it an obvious win.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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post #9

Been really enjoying Firefox, especially after Quantum. More devs should support and use it, lest we be beholden to Chrome for the rest of time.

This. And their dark theme is way better than any Chrome extension. The big deal is that Chrom(ium) has taken over the rapidly growing desktop webapp market with ElectronJS, and AFAIK there is no Electron competitor that uses the modern, Quantum FF stack.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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How sad... I have switched to Firefox about 8 months ago and have been really enjoying the browser. It's just difficult to compete against the giants of Google and Microsoft. I mean anywhere you go there will be messages like "Try a faster browser- Download Chrome" on any Google site, or the extremely difficult user interface to switch default browser on Windows. I really wish for Firefox to succeed in the long run,…

>or the extremely difficult user interface to switch default browser on Windows. I agree that it's annoying and user hostile, but "extremely difficult"? It's one button in settings.

It's not really a button, they convert the button to switch to a weird link and clicking the actual button means to keep Edge. Its misleading, and most people thought they switched because the clicked the button but actually that didnt do the switch. But agree it's not necessarily difficult, just misleading.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Quantum I think was too incremental and conservative, trying to integrate Servo into Gecko. They’ve ended up making a desktop browser which is as good as Chrome, but not good enough to demand attention. Mobile, where parallelism should be most beneficial, has lagged behind, and parallel layout, which is where the real prize is, has disappeared over the horizon. Servo has been relegated to WebVR experiments which are…

I wish Mozilla would stop doing so much non-development stuff. Now that Thunderbird is moving on its own, FFox is their only product and yet they waste a lot of time sending out emails about various petitions and similar. They should definitely support pro-Internet petitions as a company (as does Google and others), but IDK why they are now running essentially a mailing list infrastructure for them.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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post #9

Been really enjoying Firefox, especially after Quantum. More devs should support and use it, lest we be beholden to Chrome for the rest of time.

Yup, not only that, but we must evangelize and install it every where. I installed it on every phone, tablet & computer in my house hold.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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post #180

I'd like to use Firefox. I've tried it out several times the last year. It's okay. Unfortunately, I always end up going back to Safari. Despite the performance improvements, Safari still feels like a faster, smoother browser. Firefox is still pretty ugly, too. On macOS, it feels chunkier and less natively integrated. Safari's "omnibar" is superior to Firefox's. Safari actually suggests web sites, which I use all the…

Safari's autosuggest of the numeric code from 2FA text messages is outstanding. I don't hear anyone talk about this feature, but I could never live without it. I use 2FA for every website possible and this makes it easy.

I thought that was a keyboard thing not a Safari thing?

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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I switched to desktop with Quantum and love it. But the huge win for me was switching to Firefox Mobile on my iPhone. It may just be a wrapper for WebKit. But it integrates with Firefox Sync. The killer feature is "send this tab to your iPhone". Great when you're looking at a recipe / restaurant address / funny picture on your computer and want to have it on your phone.

Yes yes yes. This is my favourite feature by far.

If I notice something cool whilst at work I can send to my Home desktop, and vice versa. when at home and see something that would be useful at work send it there.

Awesome feature.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Now as Microsoft has given up and switched to Google's Blink engine, given importance of the web and scary perspectives of it becoming owned by a single corporation Google competitors (as well as its industrial customers - it's never good to rely on a single vendor that can always do just whatever it wants), NGOs and GOs should start funding and promoting Mozilla now IMHO...

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Being visually nearly indistinguishable from chrome hasn't really worked in its favor. (quick, which is which: http://9ol.es/double-browser.png ). Probably north of 95% don't know about or understand licensing differences or differences in rendering engines or core architecture. Interfaces and obvious features with compelling narratives are what matter because that's how the user engages with the product. Asking user…

It's more than just visually indistinguishable; historically a big chunk of the Firefox user base have been (a) power users, and (b) people who listen to power users for computer advice.

When this becomes necessary you know you've lost your power user audience: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18589555

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