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Lawyer: ‘It’s a Free for All’ for Criminals on BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit)

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This is why it's hard to get support for public transit funding. People don't want to take public transit if they will fear for their lives, or be surrounded by drug addicts and mentally disturbed people yelling at and spitting on other passengers. BART trains and stations are like this on a regular basis; Muni has the same problems but not as bad. I've seen this kind of thing happen on Caltrain late at night also, b…

The American highway system isn’t any safer. Rampant speeding, tailgating, swerving in and out, distracted on phones, etc. All of which is rarely and lightly punished.

You can probably look at any system in America at the federal level and find it to be vastly less regulated, particularly from a safety standpoint, than anywhere else considered "developed." The exception being commercial aviation perhaps.

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Yeah, BART police is a joke. I don’t remember ever seeing a BART police officer riding a train with me. I rarely see them in stations. Getting in and out without paying almost seems easier than paying. SF and Oakland officers never stroll through stations, which is so obviously wrong from a public safety standpoint, yet it seems to be policy. Then again I rarely see SF police officers walking the streets as it is. Ye…

Fixing it is easy. Arrest and prosecute criminal behavior. California won't do it though. It's only a matter of time till some of the larger tech companies decide that the Bay Area is too far gone and start leaving.

What makes you think the people who make these sorts of decisions are exposed to any of this?

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I don’t like the police any more than you do, but calling police presence in train stations “straight up fascist” cheapens the term. When you call every slightly authoritarian policy “straight up fascist”, nobody will take you seriously when you denounce actually fascist regimes.

Having police with drug dogs, posted at train stations to catch random people with personal quantities of drugs is straight up fascist in my opinion. Drug use crosses socioeconomic lines, yet drug dogs at train stations (targeted in the poorer suburbs too) ends up unfairly targeting poor people (who are often minorities), especially as wealthier people tend to drive rather than take public transport. Send some drug d…

I've never seen a single police officer at a Sydney train station before and especially not with dogs.

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And all they do is give parking tickets. I’ve never seen them inside a train in 8 years.

Parking tickets are their main thing, true, but I have seen them inside trains. More often, my train is delayed by “police activity” somewhere in the BART system. Because there’s no way to route around most stations, those delays end up cascading through the whole system, no matter where they originate.

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Is this just an American thing? Healthcare funding, or something? I've never been to SF, but I've visited NYC, and the subway there feels like stepping in to a horror movie. During a two week visit I saw people passing out and being ignored (I was the only one attempting to help), individuals swinging around bricks in socks, and various other obvious examples of severely mentally ill individuals. In London I've never…

I feel that this somewhat due to the lack of mental health funding in the US. It's one issue that affects so many areas such as homelessness and crime, yet funding mental health programs is just not popular with voters and politicians in the US.

Anything that even resembles taking care of other people is not popular in the US. There's no "preventative" care for people in here, either. We foster and think that a percentage of the children taken from their parents didn't need to happen if the parents were able to get help before it got bad enough for the children to be removed. But, oh wow, when I tell people my thoughts on that they look at me like I'm about to steal their wallet!

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This is why it's hard to get support for public transit funding. People don't want to take public transit if they will fear for their lives, or be surrounded by drug addicts and mentally disturbed people yelling at and spitting on other passengers. BART trains and stations are like this on a regular basis; Muni has the same problems but not as bad. I've seen this kind of thing happen on Caltrain late at night also, b…

I do think there's some truth to the idea that our failures in mental health care have some pretty high costs on our society in other places. If we did a better job with mental health/drug addiction, maybe there would be a few less needles and piles of feces for commuters to content with.

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As a country, take care of your disadvantaged people, the jobless, the homeless, the troubled. Enforce a proper minimum wage, scaled as a proper living wage for a given area. Enact single payer healthcare. Stop persecuting minorities, and end the ridiculous war on drugs. Enact gun control. In the longer run, abolish (crony) capitalism, abolish lobbying and "campaign donations" (bribes) and break the military-industri…

> make the wealthy actually pay their taxes Sounds like you need to get your facts straight. > A Pew Research Center analysis of IRS data from 2015, the most recent available, shows that taxpayers with incomes of $200,000 or more paid well over half (58.8%) of federal income taxes https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjK...

Only 47% of federal revenue is from income taxes though. 34% is from regressive payroll taxes.

Taxes need to be way higher. Federal revenues this year barely cover mandatory spending.

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How would one go about fixing such abstract things as social cohesion and societal values?

A new social contract that distributes wealth more evenly. A focus on education, nutrition and healthy urban environments. Supporting parents so they can support their children (2 working parents is an absolute recipe for disaster). All the normal stuff we know we should be doing but don't. If you are interested in the importance of childhood and parenting there is a great doc series on Netflix called "The beginning…

America had that chance but Bernie was stabbed in the back. Maybe AOC can deliver.

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A new social contract that distributes wealth more evenly. A focus on education, nutrition and healthy urban environments. Supporting parents so they can support their children (2 working parents is an absolute recipe for disaster). All the normal stuff we know we should be doing but don't. If you are interested in the importance of childhood and parenting there is a great doc series on Netflix called "The beginning…

America had that chance but Bernie was stabbed in the back. Maybe AOC can deliver.

It will take a lot more than one election. America needs to reevaluate it's relationship with many things including poverty, work, race, education, taxes, healthcare etc. It will be a long road however I am hopeful that the likes of AOC and Andrew Yang can start to shine a light on it and kick off the process.

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People aren't nation-states who take game theory to its logical conclusion.

Why wouldn't people take game theory to its logical conclusion?

Do you believe people are rational actors?

What about criminals? What about someone who is high, drunk or coming down off of something? What about someone who is mentally ill?

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