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Re: Tulsa Remote

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Post by j4kp07 »

yardie wrote: post #199
DareRight wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never understood this thinking. A state has a certain amount of expenditures in their budget. They have to acquire those funds somehow. If they don't collect income tax, they bump up food tax, or hotel tax, or restaurant tax, or diesel tax, etc. The money is coming out of your wallet one way or the other.

I live in a state without income tax and moderately high property taxes. This arrangement tends to favor the rich, inheritance owners over the working class. In a state income tax state, my taxes are dependent on me working, and a smaller percentage goes to property. In a property tax state, my taxes are entirely dependent on the property market, regardless of how much or little I make. When there is a budget shortfa…

> This arrangement tends to favor the rich...

What a complete and utter lie. What hole are you pulling these "facts" from?

> And if you owned property for a long while you pay less in taxes than someone younger and on a lower salary.

You mean, someone retired and unemployed vs. someone at the peak of their career?

Man...you are projecting so hard, it's palpable.

Re: Tulsa Remote

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Post by knightswhosayni »

poulsbohemian wrote: post #129
knightswhosayni wrote: post #119

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Allow new business to be created without the city's red tape and dismantle the old-boys club that drove away innovation for a century.

> dismantle the old-boys club How?

> Allow new businesses to be created without the city's red tape

Mostly

Re: Tulsa Remote

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Post by joeax »

yardie wrote: post #196
joeax wrote: post #138

I've been working remote for 7 years, more recently as a software developer consultant. I showed this to my wife about two hours ago and she got really excited. Neither of us like where we are living now, and have been eyeing a relocation to Texas, notably Austin or possibly Dallas. But this is definitely worth a look, based on what we've seen so far. I'm curious if others in the tech crowd are considering the same.…

Just got back from Austin and Dallas. Your options are going to be a lot deeper in both of them. And if you have a family, nothing in OK, sounds very encouraging on the education front.

I don't disagree, as I've been to both places in the past year scoping it out. But what has me intrigued about Tulsa is how far they are going to improve the area.

Let's assume this experiment works, and they draw 200 high-wage tech and creative class workers to the area. Over time, a community forms, startups are launched, and investments are drawn to the area. Quality of life improves, and it draws more of these workers and there's a sort of multiplier effect that transforms the area.

IMO Dallas and/or Austin would be a no-brainer but the cost of living has shot up dramatically in the past few years. But in the end, I guess you get what you pay for.

Re: Tulsa Remote

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Post by ummonk »

almost_usual wrote: post #218
ummonk wrote: post #181

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I've never seen a Confederate flag in California, and haven't really encountered any noticeable prejudice from small town / rural Californians in my travails through Northern California. Nothing like Oklahoma.

Are you in an interracial relationship? I grew up in a small town in Illinois so I know what rural towns are like. I've definitely walked into bars and restaurants in rural Northern California and have had the entire place stare at us while we got seated. Felt exactly like rural Illinois. I have family members who are openly gay and I know places in Northern California I would _never_ take them. I also know of areas…

No, I'm not in an interracial relationship and not gay either. I do look Muslim though.

I'm sure there are places like this in NorCal, as you attest, and I haven't encountered them because I go mostly to the places where tourists go (while I tend to avoid the most popular tourist destinations in the state, my travels have still been for camping purposes, which means the places I go to are not strangers to outsiders).

But the mere fact that I can live and travel in the state without encountering this kind of stuff is precisely the point. In Oklahoma, there is prejudice anywhere you go, even the towns and cities.

(In fact, the main group of people in Oklahoma whom I remember being inclusive towards me were actually rural / very-small-town farmers)

Re: Tulsa Remote

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Post by Twirrim »

chpmrc wrote: post #185
Twirrim wrote: post #34

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That's self-reported data, rather than anything officially sourced.

Which is arguably more reliable than "official" data.

26 data points is utterly useless as a representative sample.

Even if it wasn't, people tend to overestimate crime.

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Post by matt4077 »

pstuart wrote: post #107
knightswhosayni wrote: post #96

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I live in Tulsa now. Don't do it. Just because this website says it is exciting doesn't mean it is. They are throwing money at the issue of a brain drain and lagging economy. Tons of people who "went to school in Tulsa" don't live there now because it is the opposite of exciting.

Thought experiment: you are now Mayor of Tulsa and have received a $100M grant to "make Tulsa exciting". Assume the situation is that whatever you propose would not be opposed. What would you do?

abscond

Re: Tulsa Remote

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Post by matt4077 »

j4kp07 wrote: post #221
yardie wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in a state without income tax and moderately high property taxes. This arrangement tends to favor the rich, inheritance owners over the working class. In a state income tax state, my taxes are dependent on me working, and a smaller percentage goes to property. In a property tax state, my taxes are entirely dependent on the property market, regardless of how much or little I make. When there is a budget shortfa…

> This arrangement tends to favor the rich... What a complete and utter lie. What hole are you pulling these "facts" from? > And if you owned property for a long while you pay less in taxes than someone younger and on a lower salary. You mean, someone retired and unemployed vs. someone at the peak of their career? Man...you are projecting so hard, it's palpable.

> What a complete and utter lie.

Don't accuse others of lying when even a modicum of good faith points to them simply holding opinions different from yours.

In this case, they are also right. At least under the assumption of taxation linear to property value.

Thats because richer people tend to spend less (as a %) of their income on housing. I hope that's intuitively obvious: making minimum wage, you're likely to spend 40% or 50% of income on rent. At the other extreme, the Bill Gates of the world spend about a Pentium III rounding error of their income.

It's the same with every other consumption taxes. Often, the first $100,000 in value or so are free. That helps a little, but only for the balance between the poor and the middle class. It's almost impossible to adequately tax the super-rich within this framework.

Re: Tulsa Remote

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Post by lester1986 »

tfandango wrote: post #219
Cambridge_Man wrote: post #190

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I grew up in Tulsa as a minority. Went to Jenks Public schools. Two students in my graduation class got accepted to Harvard, and others to MIT, U Penn, and Duke. They have gone on to become successful tech entrepreneurs and professors. The graduating class after my year had 4 students accepted to Stanford. Non est ratio ad gustum ... Über Geschmack lässt sich nicht streiten ... Les goûts et les couleurs ne se discute…

Hey there, another Jenks graduate here. I'm currently more towards the OKC area but definitely would love to live in Tulsa again. It's a laid back kind of place, great cost of living, plenty to do... Not for everyone I'm sure but perfect for me. I think the state of education in our state is a pretty big problem, but there are nationally ranked high quality schools like you said, Jenks, Union, Norman.

https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/local/oklahoma-senior-from-j...

https://www.tulsaworld.com/goodnews/how-i-got-here-how-sarah...

Oklahoma senior from Jenks High School accepted to all 8 Ivy League schools

Sarah Cameron boasts a long list of extracurricular activities, including academic clubs and an impressive tennis career. Now she can brag about her eight college acceptance letters, all to Ivy League schools.

Re: Tulsa Remote

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Post by samhain »

abalone wrote: post #53

I wonder if it would be useful to start including political culture in these comparisons. They tend to focus on cost of housing and “quality of life” metrics like the existence of third wave coffee and cocktail bars. And yet, clearly, there’s more to decisions than that. So many people who are queer, minority, or allies, disgusted by Trump and those who vote for him, may deeply resent living in hostile environments.…

That's a fair point. The average voter in Oklahoma goes to the polls the night after watching Rosanne, drinking their 40, and reveling in the latest anti-abortion ad.

Re: Tulsa Remote

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Post by steve918 »

almost_usual wrote: post #144
steve918 wrote: post #141

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As someone who grew up in Tulsa and have lived outside of Portland for almost 15 years, I feel confident saying that Portland has gone down the drain in the past few years and is completely overrun with heroin camps covering every inch of public parks and green space. It's still better than Tulsa.

If you’re into heroin I guess it’s better than Tulsa.

If you're into Meth I guess it's not.
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