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Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by raintrees »

slantyyz wrote: post #159
makecheck wrote: post #36

Well I’ve been waiting literally months for a laptop to complete its claim to be “installing” update 1709, and it never does. The only feedback in the entire update process is a little spinning circle in a list of updates, which spins for hours on end without apparently doing anything until Windows suddenly out of the blue is “ready” to install and reboots. It will appear to get somewhere, reboot again, and somehow r…

I had that problem with 1803. I was able to get the upgrade to finally work after I uninstalled the DisplayLink driver and a Splashtop app (for using an Android device as an additional monitor) and then it finally worked. I don't know which of the two (or both) were the exact culprit, but it was driving me bonkers trying to get that update to work.

For one of my clients, HP had a drive encryption program I had to uninstall for the update to finally go. Drives had never been encrypted, HP was just running it in the background from the start.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by dleslie »

JepZ wrote: post #140
romanovcode wrote: post #123

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Never in my life I had 4h updates, not even 1h. Max I had like 10 minutes? Not even a Windows advocate, just stop telling this BS please.

I am sorry, but that is no BS, just pure facts. Granted the PC is not very powerful (CPU: AMD E-350), but the story is true. When the update started, I thought 'Shit that thing didn't just reboot itself. Okay here we are, that will take one hour max.'. But in fact, it took about 4 hours.

I have a Thinkpad x140e. It's unusable with Windows 10, but reasonably good enough with Ubuntu MATE.

I don't doubt you at all. This laptop took up took so long to boot with Windows that I'd take the time to make coffee.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by Farradfahren »

wingworks wrote: post #210
JonathonW wrote: post #207

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The distinction being that Sonos updates rarely take more than a minute or two, and I've never seen one that was actually mandatory (the controller app will bug you about it, but it usually works anyways). Would be nice if it could automatically update while idle and I never had to worry about it, but that hardly seems necessary IME. Granted, I've also never had Windows 10 unexpectedly reboot on me or force an update…

I agree I've never had Windows do an inconvenient update on me. But I'm like you, I don't ignore all the update warnings, I do it when I go to lunch or whatever. But I know lots of people who will seemingly not take note of any popups that come up and just ignore them forever. Have said that, these days it should be possible to build up a pattern of when you use your computer and do the update when it's never being u…

Maybe, just maybe, the users work, always ranks higher then any security concerns- always.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by Farradfahren »

nikanj wrote: post #206
tom_ wrote: post #186

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My own humble tip - switch this shit off. Here's what I've found to work for me: 0. install whichever Windows 10 has the group policy editor - I've got Windows 10 Pro, I think. (I'm at home right now and my work laptop is at the office) 1. run gpedit.msc 2. Go to Local Computer Policy\Computer Configuration\Administrative Templates\Windows Components\Windows Update 3. Double-click Configure Automatic Updates 4. Set u…

The absolutely infuriating thing is, as soon as a ”disable updates” hack gains posterity, Microsoft shuts it down. If you just follow the first Google result for disabling updates, you still end up getting reboots. It’s one of the most anti-user policies Microsoft has pulled, and they have a long list..

I sometimes assume, this user-harassment is a quite switch to linux shove by the open-source crowd within microsoft.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by jasonjayr »

makecheck wrote: post #36

Well I’ve been waiting literally months for a laptop to complete its claim to be “installing” update 1709, and it never does. The only feedback in the entire update process is a little spinning circle in a list of updates, which spins for hours on end without apparently doing anything until Windows suddenly out of the blue is “ready” to install and reboots. It will appear to get somewhere, reboot again, and somehow r…

Do you have a copy of unsupported software hidden in a sub folder anywhere on your local drives?

Client of mine had an old copy of the Novell client installer (it was never installed on this machine) sitting in a folder named C:\Old_Computer\ . Last year's fall update kept aborting with an unclear error dialog. The install log only gave a vague suggestion that the issues was unsupported software and DID NOT reveal the full path to the offending file, just the title of the software.

Windows desperately needs a shibboleet option, so power users can stop fighting it.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by Farradfahren »

skytreader wrote: post #184
sundvor wrote: post #157

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It never stops to amaze me how unwilling most people are to explore the latest Win10 options to always defer updates by number of days (eg stay a week behind on feature updates to let others be more on the cutting edge), or even temporarily freeze the windows update service by up to a two digit number of days. If I ever wanted to be sure that no updates took place I'd use the freeze. Switching OS might be a solution,…

I think the problem isn't just that Windows updates happen immediately by default. It's that Windows updates when you boot up your computer. See, turning on a computer is an explicit declaration that you want to use it. Windows updates ignores this declaration by taking that time to itself. It doesn't matter if I can defer the update by how many days if one day it will stop/delay me from using my computer when I want…

Well the attitude was that they are now "proud" of there updates and the new features they give away, so they want to shove that into the users face on starting up.

With a little creativity, one can redecorate routine maintenance into a parade of glorious futurism. And of course that parade needs to be the first you experience on the computers return to conciousness.

Something similar happens on Surface updates.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by Macha »

g051051 wrote: post #122
makecheck wrote: post #36

Well I’ve been waiting literally months for a laptop to complete its claim to be “installing” update 1709, and it never does. The only feedback in the entire update process is a little spinning circle in a list of updates, which spins for hours on end without apparently doing anything until Windows suddenly out of the blue is “ready” to install and reboots. It will appear to get somewhere, reboot again, and somehow r…

You probably have the same problem I had, which is a slightly non-standard disk layout. Windows Update will fail without producing any meaningful diagnostics. It took me a lot of time and much effort to finally get past that and get my system working. Things to check: Are you UEFI booting an MBR disk? It works, but Windows Setup will fail in future upgrades. Do you have all the correct and required partitions? If you…

> Do you have all the correct and required partitions? If you don't have the right partitions (OEM, EFI) of the right size, Windows Setup will again fail with cryptic errors, none of which say "your partitions are wrong".

Worth pointing out you don't have to be sharing the drive with another OS to get this situation. I had a system which I upgraded from 7 -> 8.1 -> 10. My linux install and bootloader are on a totally separate drive. This left the drive with:

* 100mb system reserved partition (unused, created by win 7 installer)

* 250gb C: partition

* 400mb system reserved partition (created by 8.1 or 10 update, actually used)

Then I used the Samsung tool to copy to my new ssd and ended up with a 100mb system reserved partition and a 1tb c: drive. But the 1709 update tried to unpack the >100mb update into the too small system reserved partition and failed in a loop

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by skytreader »

ams6110 wrote: post #204
skytreader wrote: post #184

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I think the problem isn't just that Windows updates happen immediately by default. It's that Windows updates when you boot up your computer. See, turning on a computer is an explicit declaration that you want to use it. Windows updates ignores this declaration by taking that time to itself. It doesn't matter if I can defer the update by how many days if one day it will stop/delay me from using my computer when I want…

My memory might be wrong, but I don't think Windows 95 had automatic updates at all. They were tacked on when Windows security vulnerabilities became such a big deal in the late 1990s. Automatic updates felt like a hack in the beginning, and it feels like they still are.

Yeah my bad. 95 definitely didn't have automatic updates. Had to come in the form of the 95 Plus! CD-ROM.

Maybe even 98 didn't have automatic updates, but I won't be surprised if 98SE already had this capability in some form.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by bunnycorn »

StreamBright wrote: post #138
seiferteric wrote: post #76

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It's amazing to me. With the resources MS has, they could rebuild a new OS from the ground up and finally get rid of all the cruft and legacy issues in windows once and for all and still support legacy software via emulation, virtualization or even a compatibility layer a la WINE or WSL. Why don't they do it? Google is building fuchsia, Apple/NeXT was able to take BSD and build MacOS X, certainly MS can do it right?

And lose 90% of the user base (corporate users) along the way. I think at this stage they should just introduce a new OS for home users that copies the best parts of MacOS (non intrusive updates, UX, common task bar / top bar, single folder installs, unix/posix paths) and add the best parts of Windows (user space video card drivers, ???) and add some from VMS (keep file versions / purge). While at it, they could also…

> user space video card drivers

On macOS, video card drivers are userspace, in fact, every driver (kext) is userspace

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