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Nobody ever raises this concern when they increase the military budget a couple tens of billions of dollars. It's not some big secret how you'd pay for it. You'd use taxes.
Universal childcare costs a lot more than 50 billion a year.
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It isn't. > Kleitman and Richardson were to be their own experimental guinea pigs. Loaded with food and water for six weeks and a pair of dismantled, high-standing hospital beds, they took a trip into Mammoth Cave in Kentucky, one of the deepest caverns on the planet—so deep, in fact, that no detectable sunlight penetrates its farthest reaches. It was from this darkness that Kleitman and Richardson were to illuminate…
> one of the deepest caverns on the planet—so deep, in fact, that no detectable sunlight penetrates its farthest reaches And THAT is the point. Do you want OP to get away from the sun, so that it does not reset his zeigebers? > generated their own endogenous circadian rhythm in the absence of external light from the sun. I mean, you even quoted it yourself. Reminder: Topic still is OPs post and the reply to it that t…
But you gotta realize, just having the time clock (suprachiasmatic nucleus) synchronized and working perfectly in no way implies that OP will sleep early.'
Some people are hard-wired at DNA level to sleep late.
I made that comment in hopes make this point.
It is a big deal.
Not everyone has a flexible sleep cycle.
I used to need 9.5 hours of sleep as a teenager and probably had diagnosable delayed sleep phase disorder. Rules made by 55 year old early risers that only need 6 hours of sleep a night who have become school officials are just cruel and unusual punishment to a chunk of teenagers out there. In a better world there could be a class action lawsuit to make this stop--but its still considered okay to promote "early to be…
Honest question: Have you tried waking up at the same time every day -- absolutely NO exceptions -- for a period of 2+ weeks? (Along with this, no snoozing and get up as quickly as possible after your alarm goes off, even if you're a zombie and won't be able to actually do anything for another hour or two). I ask as a person who's been on both sides of the fence, from 8pm nights and 4am mornings to 4am nights and 1pm…
- I can't eat any junk food pretty much at all (pizza is a particular trigger food -- salt/MSG, i dunno?)
- I can't eat anything late
- I have to take a melatonin an hour before bedtime
- At least 20 minutes before bedtime I have to put on a sleep mask and just start really winding down. Often this is more like 60 minutes before bedtime. This is just lying on my back and not really trying to sleep.
- Then I have to find some program to listen to, quietly, that derails my train of thought, but isn't actually interesting to keep me awake otherwise my internal dialog will keep me awake.
- Then it takes me about 20 minutes of actually trying to sleep to sleep on a good night.
And even given all that sometimes the slightest bit of stress will completely screw up my sleep schedule.
Exercise can help, but not right before bedtime, earlier in the day, probably through addressing stress. Too much exercise and sore, hot muscles will keep me up all night.
So, yeah, we've all collectively heard nearly everything that you can suggest, and it takes all of that just to barely make me functional.
And napping is usually awful and leads to staring at the ceiling until 3am. So if I miss sleep one night I'm usually powering through the next day on sleep dep. Then if its stress that is keeping me awake I may still get not enough sleep the next night. The stress from not getting enough sleep can cause stress at night that keeps me awake. Ultimately it tends to 'break' and I get a good night of sleep and the stress drops off and I start getting back to normal again.
And I'm probably fairly well adjusted for being a sufferer, there's a lot of people out there who are more clinically diagnosable.
I used to need 9.5 hours of sleep as a teenager and probably had diagnosable delayed sleep phase disorder. Rules made by 55 year old early risers that only need 6 hours of sleep a night who have become school officials are just cruel and unusual punishment to a chunk of teenagers out there. In a better world there could be a class action lawsuit to make this stop--but its still considered okay to promote "early to be…
tbh, i doubt the time that students are required to be at school has much to do with their ideal sleep schedules. only about a third of women are stay at home moms these days, so you can consider parents to fall into one of two groups: shift workers and 9-5 office workers. shifts can start/end at any time so they can't really be planned around at the level of an entire school system. so by default, the schedule gets planned with the assumption of both parents working 9-5s. if both parents have to be at work by 9:00, the kids need to be at school by 8:00, so the parents can drop them off or at least make sure they get on the bus.
also, a lot of school districts only have enough buses to transport all the lower, middle, or high school students at once, so their arrivals must be staggered.
given that school also serves the purpose of gov't sponsored day care, i'm not sure what they could really do better aside from granting tardiness allowances for students with bona-fide sleeping disorders.
On the flip side, staying up late at night is absolutely horrible. I love hackathons and have been to three of them with my colleagues this year and I'm always such a buzz kill when I have to get some sleep past midnight. I wake up and a lot of the best code has already been written by them.
We're all different. I wish society was more adapted to people of all configurations, with more adaptable work schedules. And party schedules, even though missing out on them is not as bad as all the ways night owls are judged as lazy by ignorant people.
I used to need 9.5 hours of sleep as a teenager and probably had diagnosable delayed sleep phase disorder. Rules made by 55 year old early risers that only need 6 hours of sleep a night who have become school officials are just cruel and unusual punishment to a chunk of teenagers out there. In a better world there could be a class action lawsuit to make this stop--but its still considered okay to promote "early to be…
>I used to need 9.5 hours of sleep as a teenager Did you try going to sleep earlier? Who said you couldn't have 9.5 hours of sleep? The other thing you probably would have benefitted from is an afternoon nap (if you were unwilling to go to bed a 9pm). To blame others (those evil 55 year old early risers) is to deflect your own accountability. By the way, I was an early riser in high-schools and I preferred to get out…
> Changing the operating hours of an institution so central to the community is far from easy. It requires strong leadership and adjustments by school bus companies and businesses offering services like child care and extracurricular clubs. Here's the elephant in the room. High schools start and end earlier with the idea that older kids can watch their siblings. I'd say a lack of public commitment to child care is al…
There is a high school in Texas with a $72 million dollar stadium. That should be indicative of where the priorities are.
I used to need 9.5 hours of sleep as a teenager and probably had diagnosable delayed sleep phase disorder. Rules made by 55 year old early risers that only need 6 hours of sleep a night who have become school officials are just cruel and unusual punishment to a chunk of teenagers out there. In a better world there could be a class action lawsuit to make this stop--but its still considered okay to promote "early to be…
> Rules made by 55 year old early risers that only need 6 hours of sleep a night who have become school officials are just cruel and unusual punishment to a chunk of teenagers out there. In a better world there could be a class action lawsuit to make this stop--but its still considered okay to promote "early to bed, early to rise" and flat-out discriminate against people with sleep disorders. tbh, i doubt the time th…
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Allow me to back this up with an actual piece of research. Here is an excerpt from the book "Why we sleep" (which BTW is written by a neuroscientist and psychology prof working at the Center for Human Sleep Science ) > An adult’s owlness or larkness, also known as their chronotype, is strongly determined by genetics. If you are a night owl, it’s likely that one (or both) of your parents is a night owl. Sadly, society…
I'm a non-24 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-24-hour_sleep%E2%80%93wake... ). I consistently drift forwards 1-2 hours / day. Nobody believes me when I tell them. I started seriously tracking my sleep a few months back, and two months ago I started to use "Sleep as Android", which has a neat feature that shows you a graph of the times you are asleep. This is mine for the past 2 months: https://i.imgur.com/PHohyO6.…
I used to need 9.5 hours of sleep as a teenager and probably had diagnosable delayed sleep phase disorder. Rules made by 55 year old early risers that only need 6 hours of sleep a night who have become school officials are just cruel and unusual punishment to a chunk of teenagers out there. In a better world there could be a class action lawsuit to make this stop--but its still considered okay to promote "early to be…
> Rules made by 55 year old early risers that only need 6 hours of sleep a night who have become school officials are just cruel and unusual punishment to a chunk of teenagers out there. In a better world there could be a class action lawsuit to make this stop--but its still considered okay to promote "early to bed, early to rise" and flat-out discriminate against people with sleep disorders. tbh, i doubt the time th…