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Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by Klathmon »

pjmlp wrote: post #64
yathern wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oreo was in tandem with Treble. Updates in Oreo and in the future should show an increase. Not upgrades to Oreo.

Which is why most OEMs went with Nougat instead of Oreo for their brand new 2017/2018 devices. I really like it went this bad as always, because apparently as disclosed at Google IO 2018 they are finally considering making updates a requirement on the license agreements.

Well considering they just got slapped by the EU for doing stuff like that, I can see that license agreement getting weaker not stronger.

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by littleweep »

DennisAleynikov wrote: post #108
confounded wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great stuff. However, while I'm happy that they're limiting third-party access to this data, given Google's business model, I still wouldn't trust them with it.

You're right Google no longer has the trust it used to enjoy. So many apps have been uploading entire call logs and it's really absurd this was so easiy accessible to all apps.

It's the only reason stopping me from getting an Android phone. I think Apple is better on privacy.

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by halflings »

ythn wrote: post #66
hateful wrote: post #36

> We partnered with DeepMind on a feature called Adaptive Battery that uses machine learning to prioritize system resources for the apps the user cares about most. You know what mind I would like to control what apps get more resources? Me

Ugh, I want to be optimistic, but I think this feature is going to suck and here's why: I use snapchat, but I actually hate the app. It's a bloated memory and battery hog in my opinion. Is Adaptive Battery going to think I love Snapchat and prioritize more system resources for it just because I use it? Cause I want the exact opposite to happen. I want Snapchat using 0% of my system resources except for the few times…

First, one thing: the people working on these projects are not dumb. They are not going to launch a feature that simply does not work. These teams run experiments and confirm that the feature actually does what it's supposed to do (e.g improve battery life) before launching them in production.

It sounds like this feature is exactly made for cases like the one you describe: if you don't use Snapchat throughout the day, it won't stay in memory like it currently does (which seems to be ~ a LRU cache), instead staying in memory only when you're predicted to use the app over and over. (so not Snapchat in your case)

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Post by nine_k »

monk_e_boy wrote: post #208
bmurphy1976 wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always regarded the back button as the single most important reason why I prefer Android to iOS. Interesting how different people perceive the world.

The random way the back button works -- moving to iOS I didn't miss it. There are plenty of ways to switch apps, or go back within an app. I thought I'd miss it. I didn't. Now I wouldn't need it on Android.

If one app activates another (camera -> album -> photo editor -> share), how do you go back from mid-way if you decided to?

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by pas »

binomialxenon wrote: post #52
unethical_ban wrote: post #6

* It looks like they've taken away the "apps" homerow button and swapped it for "swipe up from anywhere". So that is one less gesture available to apps, unless you install an alternative desktop. * Wi-Fi RTT sounds pretty neat, I had not heard of that before. * Shutting mic, camera and sensor data off for idle/background apps is neat, though I'm shocked that wasn't an option before.

> Shutting mic, camera and sensor data off for idle/background apps is neat, though I'm shocked that wasn't an option before. I wonder if they'll ever get around to letting the user limit or deny internet access to applications, something that Cyanogen/Lineage has had for years.

But think of the ads!

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Post by voltagex_ »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #75

Surprised not to see mention of the cutout stuff yet. It seems pretty dumb to me that Google is jumping on board with this ridiculous feature. Maybe this'll be one of those Dropbox-style HN comments which in hindsight looks misled, but I honestly can't find any redeeming factors to the cutout idea.

I can't remember where I read it, but the theory is if you're a manufacturer who wants glass/displays in any quantity at the moment, you get a notch or you don't get a display at all. Blame the supply chain.

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by voltagex_ »

zanny wrote: post #184
Raphmedia wrote: post #167

"It's nice!" ... or at least that's what I would say if my phone wasn't limited to Android 7.0

I was worried my S5 was doomed to Lineage 14.1 forever, but some saint dev ported it to 15.1 last month. LTE doesn't work, but hey, 15.1. Whats really scary is that the official Samsung Touchwiz ROM stopped getting updates two years ago and is stuck on 5.1 I think. Ain't it great when hobbyists support a device for over 3 major revisions past when the billion dollar manufacturer that made it stopped updating it less…

>LTE doesn't work, but hey, 15.1

Ah, XDA, where critical features become optional.

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Post by knuththetruth »

Anon1096 wrote: post #217
knuththetruth wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They said the same thing about their participation in the drone program, until an internal revolt forced them to reveal their true hand (they were actually doing it and hoping to do more of it), and subsequent internal backlash put a stop to it altogether. https://jacobinmag.com/2018/06/google-project-maven-military... I too hope that Googlers block what their execs are planning to do in China, but we're not there ye…

Google didn't try to hide that they were working with the Pentagon to better identify targets. Their participation was well known and in the open.

No it wasn't. They specifically tried to misrepresent what the project was, minimize the scope of their involvement with it, as well as Google's plans to expand it further.

From the article I linked, which is an interview with a Googler who helped lead the resistance-

Interviewee:

...

They also tried to downplay the scope and involvement of the project. But that rhetoric dissolved when we found out that leadership had been lying.

Interviewer:

What were they lying about?

Interviewee:

From the beginning, they told us that Project Maven was a small contract purely for non-offensive purposes. They said that we weren’t building anything custom. They said that this was a one-off project only worth $9 million, and that it wasn’t part of any further collaboration with the Pentagon.

Those all turned out to be lies. On April 12, DefenseOne published an article that landed like a bombshell in the company. Drawing on conversations with Pentagon officials, it revealed that Project Maven was actually a pilot project for future collaborations between Google and the military. In particular, Project Maven was part of Google’s push to win the Joint Enterprise Defense Infrastructure (JEDI) contract.

JEDI is the military’s next-generation cloud that will network American forces all over the world and integrate them with AI. It’s basically Skynet. And all the big cloud providers want to win the contract because it’s worth $10 billion.

When we found out that Project Maven was an audition for JEDI, people started becoming extremely concerned. And as the media attention to the story increased, we learned a lot more. For instance, Diane Greene had told us that the Project Maven contract was only for $9 million, but internally they expected it to increase to $250 million per year. And they weren’t just giving the Pentagon access to open-source software — they were going to build a massive surveillance system that gave military analysts real-time information on people, vehicles, and buildings in a Google Earth–style interface.

Exposing all of those lies damaged leadership on this issue just as much as anything else that we did. That loss of trust really hurt them.

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Post by Fnoord »

scarface74 wrote: post #220
kcmp wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People loved it when Apple did it which gave everyone else the okay to go ahead and do it themselves. It allows phone manafacturers to advertise higher screen to body ratios and is really just a step in the progression towards bezelless phones. There's definitely a loud group of people who strongly dislike it but I think most people are okay with it

People didn’t “love it” they tolerated it

Because it is a trade off between the largest, consistent screen size, having a front camera, and a notch (that's how we call it, this is the first time I see the term cutoff).

I dislike the notch, but it isn't very annoying. You still got your status stuff on the top left and right. However, if I'd be having my device in landscape it'd thoroughly annoy me no matter what. It destroys the device symmetry!! However landscape is a niche for me; I don't watch many videos.

I do think your comment hits the nail though. Apple gets away with all kind of innovations: TouchBar, butterfly keyboard, no 3.5 mm...

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