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Bay Area cities are cracking down on free food at tech companies

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Re: Bay Area cities are cracking down on free food at tech companies

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I really wonder what it will take to kill this Golden Goose. Bay area employees are already a big premium over employees in other areas, but companies still really want to be here. No free food is almost asinine... but it's not a big thing compared to the extra cost in salaries.

I'm wondering the same. Two growing trends that I'm observing: 1. Businesses moving out of California, especially NorCal. Sergey Brin already said two years ago that he would not have started Google in NorCal today. He was right. There's a lot more interest in other locations, such as Austin. 2. Remote work, and fully remote virtual offices. Personally I know a bunch of people who declined offers in the SFBay to avoi…

> There's a lot more interest in other locations, such as Austin.

Which, I hear, is quickly catching up to Bay Area in terms of cost of living.

Re: Bay Area cities are cracking down on free food at tech companies

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I'm sorry but this is so f*cking stupid. As a Bay Area resident my priorities are the cost of housing, cleaning our dirty streets and alleviating traffic congestion. This is an example of progressivism gone awry. Solving the basics is incredibly important. Our quality of life is in decline (in the bay area) and this is the best our politicians can do? I'm enraged.

> Solving the basics is incredibly important. Ah, but you see, it is also difficult! "Dirty streets" and "traffic congestion" are big, messy problems, requiring careful planning, managing projects and contractors, adversarial factors, etc. By contrast, passing laws that apply to corporations is so easy! They are generally law abiding, so you just tell them "no more free food for you!", and they obey. Until, you know,…

> Until, you know, they skip town and you are left with nothing.

Congestion and housing problems solved.

Re: Bay Area cities are cracking down on free food at tech companies

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I'm sorry but this is so f*cking stupid. As a Bay Area resident my priorities are the cost of housing, cleaning our dirty streets and alleviating traffic congestion. This is an example of progressivism gone awry. Solving the basics is incredibly important. Our quality of life is in decline (in the bay area) and this is the best our politicians can do? I'm enraged.

Yes, but are you going to do anything about it? If you work at one of the big tech companies in the bay area, chances are you either cannot vote or you're only ever going to vote for the incumbent party, so what does it matter to them if they piss you off?

I'm not sure you use the apathy card on me.

I've given money to and advocate for Moderates and I was an elected Hillary Clinton Delegate.

Personally I encourage you to let @AaronPeskin know how you feel on this matter. He is the "progressive" who introduced this nonsense.

Re: Bay Area cities are cracking down on free food at tech companies

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Yes, but are you going to do anything about it? If you work at one of the big tech companies in the bay area, chances are you either cannot vote or you're only ever going to vote for the incumbent party, so what does it matter to them if they piss you off?

For the SF locals, it's usually democrats vs democrats, so party affiliation doesn't really matter. Because of this, inucumbents are much more easily voted out of office on the supervisor level (which is where this is coming from). So... vote when you can!

True. But there are moderates to consider.

Re: Bay Area cities are cracking down on free food at tech companies

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Do you have a source for your first assertion ? This link explicitly says that it applies to the Facebook development https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/New-Facebook-Offices-M... They haven't decided whether to expand to cover Google's expansion For the SF rule, it is only proposed by Peskin and Safai. And Peskin himself said on twitter that this is just a proposal.

From TFA: > the city prohibits companies from fully subsidizing meals in the Village, and the rule could spread to other Bay Area cities in the future. So no, it doesn't apply "only to Facebook", it applies to new office complexes, in this particular case the complex called "the Village". It would apply to any companies within that office complex, and potentially any new complexes and offices built in MTV going forwa…

> So no, it doesn't apply "only to Facebook", it applies to new office complexes, in this particular case the complex called "the Village"

No, it, based on the except you point to, applies specifically and only to “the Village”, not to new complexes generally (and the Village is not a pure office complex, by a mixed use one, and this rule seems specifically designed to make the Village attractive to restaurants.)

> You only need one lawmaker to propose a new law.

But you need a majority to pass it, and I've not heard any sign that the other Supes have expressed any interest.

Re: Bay Area cities are cracking down on free food at tech companies

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> The ban wouldn't be retroactive, however, so on-site food at companies like Google and Twitter would still be available Cool, so start-ups lose a potential hiring perk to the incumbents. (Does anyone know the story behind this bill? Which politicians and restaurants supported it? I’d like to avoid the latter going forward.)

> Cool, so start-ups lose a potential hiring perk to the incumbents. I don't think catering startups that coordinate with local restaurants (e.g ZeroCater and Chewse) will be affected.

The goal is to keep the employees in the building.

Re: Bay Area cities are cracking down on free food at tech companies

#228

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I really wonder what it will take to kill this Golden Goose. Bay area employees are already a big premium over employees in other areas, but companies still really want to be here. No free food is almost asinine... but it's not a big thing compared to the extra cost in salaries.

I'm wondering the same. Two growing trends that I'm observing: 1. Businesses moving out of California, especially NorCal. Sergey Brin already said two years ago that he would not have started Google in NorCal today. He was right. There's a lot more interest in other locations, such as Austin. 2. Remote work, and fully remote virtual offices. Personally I know a bunch of people who declined offers in the SFBay to avoi…

There is no truth to your assertion that companies will be leaving Bay. Google, Facebook, Salesforce etc. are actually massively expanding their Bay Area footprint.

Google is expanding their Mountain View and building a massive new headquarters

https://sf.curbed.com/2017/3/8/14858200/google-headquarters-...

Google is also expanding into San Jose

Apple just recently completed their spaceship campus

Facebook is massively expanding their Menlo Park footprint https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/news/2018/03/15/fac...

In addition, they signed the largest lease ever in SF https://sf.curbed.com/2018/5/14/17353094/facebook-park-tower...

Salesforce recently opened their new 60 story tower in downtown SF http://www.salesforcetower.com/

And I haven't even touched upon continued expansion of Uber, Lyft (which opened a new autonomous division in Palo Alto), Airbnb etc.

Austin is a bit player in the tech scene. The only other alternative right now is Seattle.

Re: Bay Area cities are cracking down on free food at tech companies

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Yeah, really. Big tech companies, come down here to Texas. With your well-above-market-average salaries and free food.

And regressive state politics and terrible culture and weather. Tech companies hiring in Texas is a negative signal.

Regressive is in the eye of the beholder.

Re: Bay Area cities are cracking down on free food at tech companies

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By the time Austin is SF2.0 local government in Austin will be made up of all the same clowns that make up local government in SF. CA was like Texas once upon a time.

You think? In my opinion, it's the manifestation of the hippy culture of the 60s and 70s. California was never a hands-off state, never had the hands-off tradition that Texas had. I don't see any reason to expect that the same stuff would happen in TX.

Are you serious? California used to be an insane gun ridden free for all cowboy state. You could legally kidnap/shanghai someone up until 1915.
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