what about dtube?
Doesn't d.tube only run on one main server, but transmit over ipfs?
PeerTube, the “Decentralized YouTube”, succeeds in crowdfunding
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Conversely, if we aren't sufficiently critical of new projects, we risk wasting incredible sums of money on things that never could have worked. Our industry has a long history of that kind of waste. Exhibit A is the dot-com bubble, but there are plenty of modern failures too. If we want to maximize innovation, we cannot be too suspicious of novelty, but we also can't let it blind us.
Wasting incredible sums of money and effort and resources is our way of life. We distrust each other, we compete, we hoard, we waste.
Here's a crowdfunded, decentralized YouTube. Crowdfunded. Decentralized. I don't see why everyone is using private business and investment lingo. People seem to be missing the point entirely. Also, if your startup fails and you didn't actually learn anything or made anything remotely usefull, that's a waste. This doesn't seem like a "waste". It's crowdfunded. The type of people supporting this probably couldn't care less if it "fails". I repeat myself verbatim: I don't see why everyone is using private business and investment lingo.
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Your assumptions are completely wrong. Content creators simply want a platform for gathering an audience. Youtube wants to play as many ads as possible. Let's not pretend that somehow those interests align perfectly in the product we know as youtube. The audience generation mechanics are an important ingredient for replacing youtube, but youtube has gone from being a free service that had little user generated conten…
I'm not wrong. We have moved towards a world of centralized services because that's what people want. To many people it's the centralized services that "are" the Internet: YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram—that's it. YouTube is the lowest common denominator of video. You aren't going to "fix" its problems with a more complex decentralized network. If you want to solve the problems with YouTube you have to do it w…
> Have we learned nothing from literally every single project the that has tried to "free" us from the evils of the centralized services? Here ya go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_software_and_pro.... Slowly they all go from Active to Dead or Stalled.
I think the issue is none of them have commercial backing and are some "fringe nerd project. The problem is unless it's a nonprofit (good luck with that) there is no commercial interest in producing a decentralized platform. (See Google and Facebook killing off XMPP for a small example of this)
Re: PeerTube, the “Decentralized YouTube”, succeeds in crowdfunding
#224People want viable services not "tech".
Red flag: both their concept as well as name have YT's brand name in it. The equivalent of calling your company "Uber for X". I'm all for decentralization where it makes sense - but this seems like they might be shooting themselves in the foot everywhere EXCEPT the tech (which, ultimately won't matter if they fail).
From the article: "Online since March 2018 in a beta version, the project should definitely take off by October, based on the money raised."
Beta + $60k + 6 more months time = Success? Against a practical content monopoly.
As a guy currently doing the start-up dance - this kind of optimistic naivety almost offends me.
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> I've yet to come across a podcast I wanted to listen to without an RSS feed available through a website. That's because podcasts on iTunes just point to an RSS feed hosted elsewhere. iTunes doesn't host the audio files; it's just a directory.
Yes, but the feed is always (in my experience) available as a link from a web page (hence decentralized and not dependent on iTunes).
Most people don’t know how to go to a podcast’s website, copy the link to the RSS feed, and then paste it into their podcast app. They just search for the podcast in their podcast app. So, if you produce a podcast, you need to be in the major podcast directories to get traction. Thus, in effect, podcasts are highly centralized.
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> uploading his videos in bulk and moneytise them As far as I know, there's no plan to monetize videos over PeerTube, that pretty much remove that possibility then. > that you can at least complain about your stolen copyright Torrent exist, PeerTube won't create much more possibility to stole content. Considering it's free content too, there's not much incentive to get it anywhere else than it's original source.
Visit a Peertube site in Brave and donate via BAT. Easy. Complete copyright control is something content creators (and humanity) will just have to get over. Donation/patronage-based models are simply the future of intellectual property compensation.
> Complete copyright control is something content creators (and humanity) will just have to get over. Donation/patronage-based models are simply the future of intellectual property compensation.
I fear this may be true. The war was lost the moment it became effortless and free for anyone to make a copy of content by digitizing it. We're that last unit wandering in the wilderness still fighting because we haven't figured out its over.
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The top comment of almost any post on HN is negative.
I've noticed this and wonder why it is... Maybe developers /engineers are prone to seeking out, trying to identify constraints?
It's definitely a lot easier. To argue that an idea is flawed, you only need to find one possible reason it wouldn't work. If you are correct, you are cheered for it.
To argue an idea will succeed, you need to know and understand the whole concept, and be able to analyze it for flaws. And then you could be proved wrong by someone mentioning a single issue you didn't see before.
Even if you did see the problems people mention, to defend your point, you have to explain why each of them don't apply, which can be a lot of work.
And then, anyone deciding whether they agree with you or not would have to do the same thing, in order to be right in their opinion, so you get a lot less people willing to upvote you.
In that way, comment systems are focused on the negative and aren't a good space for creativity and coming up with new ideas. Now, please, tear into this and tell me where I'm wrong ;)
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Wasting incredible sums of money and effort and resources is our way of life. We distrust each other, we compete, we hoard, we waste.
Here's a crowdfunded, decentralized YouTube. Crowdfunded. Decentralized. I don't see why everyone is using private business and investment lingo. People seem to be missing the point entirely. Also, if your startup fails and you didn't actually learn anything or made anything remotely usefull, that's a waste. This doesn't seem like a "waste". It's crowdfunded. The type of people supporting this probably couldn't care…
I also do not see this as a waste. I was just replying to the parent. It's silly to label this a waste when so much we do is wasteful to no end.
Re: PeerTube, the “Decentralized YouTube”, succeeds in crowdfunding
#229Remember Peerflix? It was a great interface to a time-tested platform enabling modern streaming, searching, and overall great user experience.
Unfortunately decentralized tech always ends up harboring illegal or immoral content and then becomes a pariah if a sort.
Re: PeerTube, the “Decentralized YouTube”, succeeds in crowdfunding
#230Remember Peerflix? It was a great interface to a time-tested platform enabling modern streaming, searching, and overall great user experience. Unfortunately decentralized tech always ends up harboring illegal or immoral content and then becomes a pariah if a sort.
> decentralized tech
It seems to me that the problem you rightly pointed out could be approached and possibly solved by zooming in a bit and breaking the term "decentralized" into component parts. For example, at least two parts: 1) Those components of decentralization which do not lead to this problem and 2) those components which may lead to this problem.
This simple typology could then, with a bit of nudging, probably yield some new leverage points.
A question like, "what is the _most decentralized_ platform which does _not seem to have this problem_ and what are its characteristics" could also probably help.
We are just getting started with decentralization in many ways, so there may also be analogs in e.g. economics or even games/sports that could be overlaid to improve our optics.
(It'd be neat if we could be really persistent with our decentralization aims as a community and make visible, helpful progress against previous conceptions of the pitfalls)