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Don't Provide Your References to a Recruiter Until After Your Last Interview

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Re: Don't Provide Your References to a Recruiter Until After Your Last Interview

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I mean, this is a no brainer. In some fields it is not easy to get a job. And in some cultures/some recruiters contact your references to "get a clear picture". What will your former boss[es] say, if the 10th person contacts them? "I am more than happy to provide references that can back up my application but please understand that this is THE LAST STEP in the application process". Always worked for me. Hint: The app…

That preliminary phone interview will also help you to establish your credibility and expertise before they get a look at you. In case you aren't a young white or Asian man.

Re: Don't Provide Your References to a Recruiter Until After Your Last Interview

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post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the downside to just always giving a positive review, though? To rephrase the original question - this is recruiter/company A calling a person who works at company B to see if someone is suitable for company A. If you just always give a nice review, what is the downside for you? Unless you had genuine personal issues with the candidate, why wouldn't you just always give a good review? If the person doesn't wo…

I don't think the recruiter seeking a positive or negative review, so much as simply verifying claims made by the candidate or their resume. Something like... > Tell me a little about Jim's day-to-day > Sure... Jim is an above average junior software dev... > Sorry you say junior or senior dev? Does Jim have team management roles? You can give a glowing review, but depending how how Jim portrayed himself, the review…

These questions, to me, sound like leaking confidential information about my current employer. I'd personally refer questions like that to HR.

Re: Don't Provide Your References to a Recruiter Until After Your Last Interview

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post #162

Since I'm looking for a job these days I saw a recruiter post a story on LinkedIn. The story was about this TERRIBLE TREND of some workers "ghosting" recruiters. They describe a process where a recruiter talks to a prospective employee, the prospective employee might even interview with the company. ... and then the prospective employee stops responding to emails, phone calls, any messages. It was theorized that thes…

A few years ago, I decided to try working with a recruiter. I had never worked with one before, and I wasn't sure what to expect. But the first thing the guy did was spam my resume to like 60 something different companies. Eventually I decided not to work with him, and he warned me that if I got hired by any of the companies he spammed within 6 months, he was entitled to some sort of payment. I didn't know who he sen…

The line between just a recruiter, a bad recruiter, and scams seem to be blurring.... :(

Even looking for a job you hit scams, I've been on legit job sites and been hitting a lot of "fake jobs" that lead you elsewhere and ask for a credit card up front. Like WTF.... hey LinkedIn, this scam job has been up for a week man.

Personally I wouldn't mind working with a GOOD recruiter, but I've given up on being able to tell the difference / know their intentions.

Re: Don't Provide Your References to a Recruiter Until After Your Last Interview

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post #162

Since I'm looking for a job these days I saw a recruiter post a story on LinkedIn. The story was about this TERRIBLE TREND of some workers "ghosting" recruiters. They describe a process where a recruiter talks to a prospective employee, the prospective employee might even interview with the company. ... and then the prospective employee stops responding to emails, phone calls, any messages. It was theorized that thes…

A few years ago, I decided to try working with a recruiter. I had never worked with one before, and I wasn't sure what to expect. But the first thing the guy did was spam my resume to like 60 something different companies. Eventually I decided not to work with him, and he warned me that if I got hired by any of the companies he spammed within 6 months, he was entitled to some sort of payment. I didn't know who he sen…

You're not required to pay him, obviously, but that doesn't mean you're "free". A lot of companies will only pay a referral or fee if a recruiter brings them new people they don't know about. So those 60 companies who received your resume may have already filled the position it was sent in for, but they still entered your information into their database and keep your resume on file. So if/when you start working with a legitimate recruiter, they may not get paid as much or not at all. And obviously once the recruiter realizes that they may not push hard to get you the job, or even steer you towards other companies that will pay full price.

I had a somewhat similar situation happen. A company I wanted to work for had a place on their website to apply for jobs, and I found one I was interested in and applied for. I never heard from them. A friend of mine who worked there eventually asked me about another opening, and they had a referral program where he'd get a few $k. After he talked to HR they said he'd get no referral since I was already in their system. I told him to ask why they never contacted me and he said their response was "Oh, we pretty much never look at applications submitted online".

It didn't strike me at the time as to how shady that conduct was until later. Fortunately I went somewhere else anyway.

Re: Don't Provide Your References to a Recruiter Until After Your Last Interview

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post #203

All these conversions bashing recruiters seem a bit... unfair? I work at a company that almost exclusively does their own recruiting. There's no commission structure or misplaced incentives to get someone in, no matter how bad they could be. As someone who's been interviewing regularly, I frequently interact with some of them and they are very genuine people. I've at one point had a recruiter whom I've had a delightf…

>All these conversions bashing recruiters seem a bit... unfair

It probably is fair at least to the recruiters they've interacted with. But good recruiters do exist. I used to date someone who was a recruiter, and her complaints about her work showed it was an extremely cut throat business. Not being the cut throat type of person herself, she had to deal with enormous amounts of stress of people screwing her over and pressuring her to do things she didn't agree with. She found great joy in helping people find work they would like, and absolutely loved talking to her recruits and business partners. She eventually couldn't take in anymore and left the industry, but she still interacts with a lot of people she placed even three years later just to keep in touch.

Re: Don't Provide Your References to a Recruiter Until After Your Last Interview

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I was asked once to provide references. I asked the recruiter how this could make sense as I will give her three friends who will swear that I am extraordinary.

She said she need three references and that's all.

It was at the beginning of my career, I am so glad that such nonsense is over now.

Re: Don't Provide Your References to a Recruiter Until After Your Last Interview

#227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the recruiter seeking a positive or negative review, so much as simply verifying claims made by the candidate or their resume. Something like... > Tell me a little about Jim's day-to-day > Sure... Jim is an above average junior software dev... > Sorry you say junior or senior dev? Does Jim have team management roles? You can give a glowing review, but depending how how Jim portrayed himself, the review…

These questions, to me, sound like leaking confidential information about my current employer. I'd personally refer questions like that to HR.

If you were this person's boss, you'd refer these simple questions to HR?

Re: Don't Provide Your References to a Recruiter Until After Your Last Interview

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post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't have to break a law to be ruled against in civil court (in the US), but I agree with you; I don't see a case here (even checked with a lawyer who happens to be visiting.)

> You don't have to break a law to be ruled against in civil court (in the US) Yes, you do; civil courts enforce civil law, which is actually law.

... Yes that makes sense. No idea why I was thinking law == criminal law.

Re: Don't Provide Your References to a Recruiter Until After Your Last Interview

#229

I mean, this is a no brainer. In some fields it is not easy to get a job. And in some cultures/some recruiters contact your references to "get a clear picture". What will your former boss[es] say, if the 10th person contacts them? "I am more than happy to provide references that can back up my application but please understand that this is THE LAST STEP in the application process". Always worked for me. Hint: The app…

That preliminary phone interview will also help you to establish your credibility and expertise before they get a look at you. In case you aren't a young white or Asian man.

I don't know about Asian males. But, call me crazy, salary is something that I would bring up. I does not make sense to interview for a position that pays far below your current salary. There is really no need to interview if you are not on the same page. This does not only save my time, it also saves yours.

By the way, the guy the was the most pushy ever about my references was a guy I insisted on doing a phone interview first. After the interview and the offer he have, I had to kindly decline to proceed on the matter.

Re: Don't Provide Your References to a Recruiter Until After Your Last Interview

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Recruiter and former CTO here. References are a box-ticking exercise that you pay someone like Experian to do, so that you can say it was done as part of a security review.

That sounds like "employment verification": did $CANDIDATE actually work at $YOUR_COMPANY, with $JOB_TITLE, between $START_DATE and $END_DATE? I think the "references" under discussion here are actually phoning up former colleagues/managers for more detailed questions.

They are the same references. Most companies with a decent HR department will only give the employee verification answers anyway.
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