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Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by ajnin »

nkoren wrote: post #189

Okay, the Youtube/political angle of this is pretty horrendous and is deserving of discussion. But they pose a question about Peertube: how well does it hold? In my limited testing from central San Francisco: it doesn't. Which makes me sad. Anybody have any insight into the pros/cons/ultimate performance/scalability limits for Peertube? Is the flakiness a function of immature technology or inviable technology?

They mention they're hosting it in a EU datacenter, that may be your issue. It works fine from France, actually appreaciably snappier than Youtube. I think Google has many mirroring servers everywhere to mitigate the issue.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by laser »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #215

The next step will be that you won't be indexed by Google's web search engine if you don't have AdSense for Content ads. Why? Because the steam is going out of Google's ad business[1], and Google has no other business. They have added just about all of the advertising on their own pages they can get away with and they started by squeezing channels with fewer than 4k views a month, and now their squeezing channels tha…

Is the charging for turn by turn directions also hyperbole? Because I don’t see how that could happen. For one, taking something free and then charging for it generally doesn’t really work. More importantly, though, the free competitors are too sophisticated, so the vast majority would just switch to them.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by ChuckMcM »

cwyers wrote: post #217
ChuckMcM wrote: post #215

The next step will be that you won't be indexed by Google's web search engine if you don't have AdSense for Content ads. Why? Because the steam is going out of Google's ad business[1], and Google has no other business. They have added just about all of the advertising on their own pages they can get away with and they started by squeezing channels with fewer than 4k views a month, and now their squeezing channels tha…

> Google cannot get enough people showing ads on their videos to support people who choose not to show ads. Or maybe they just don't want to.

That is possible, but I think it unlikely based on the following reasoning, if you are watching a video without an ad on Youtube, when it finishes they have an opportunity to share a bunch of similar videos that you might like, ones that do have ads. If you end up not going to Youtube at all because the ad free video is hosted elsewhere they lose that opportunity to "sell" you on a video with an advert in it.

When I was at Blekko we were analyzing this sort of thing pretty hard. We found that a web page with no ads could point to pages with ads and that the expected rate of return on traffic to the ad free page could be calculated (it was non-zero revenue). I would agree that is only a proxy for browsing behavior as the Youtube example consumes resources for the ad free video as well, but unless YouTube has even worse monetization than the most cynical predictions, I would guess it would be worth it to have the Ad free video surrounded by suggestions.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by tmpz22 »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #215

The next step will be that you won't be indexed by Google's web search engine if you don't have AdSense for Content ads. Why? Because the steam is going out of Google's ad business[1], and Google has no other business. They have added just about all of the advertising on their own pages they can get away with and they started by squeezing channels with fewer than 4k views a month, and now their squeezing channels tha…

IMO Google just has executive level incentives for cutting waste so someone over at youtube realized they could get a nice juicy bonus if they went after blender for all the subsidized bandwidth they've been using. A marker will be moved, someone will get promoted, and the world will keep spinning.

If Google was really hurting for money they'd curb all the hiring they've been doing.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by ChuckMcM »

laser wrote: post #222
ChuckMcM wrote: post #215

The next step will be that you won't be indexed by Google's web search engine if you don't have AdSense for Content ads. Why? Because the steam is going out of Google's ad business[1], and Google has no other business. They have added just about all of the advertising on their own pages they can get away with and they started by squeezing channels with fewer than 4k views a month, and now their squeezing channels tha…

Is the charging for turn by turn directions also hyperbole? Because I don’t see how that could happen. For one, taking something free and then charging for it generally doesn’t really work. More importantly, though, the free competitors are too sophisticated, so the vast majority would just switch to them.

Not hyperbole. I really do think Google will start charging for that at some point in the next 5 years.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by rurounijones »

So I had a look at Peertube and had the friendly reminder

"The sharing system used by this video implies that some technical information about your system (such as a public IP address) can be accessed publicly."

Which is then expanded on in an about page:

"PeerTube uses the BitTorrent protocol to share bandwidth between users. It implies that your public IP address is stored in the public BitTorrent tracker of the video PeerTube instance as long as you're watching the video. If you want to keep your public IP address private, please use a VPN or Tor. "

Seems like a large privacy leak that can be exploited by anyone who signs up to the tracker.

Requiring a VPN or Tor just for privacy from other users seems like an excessive requirement.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by 0xcde4c3db »

Does PeerTube provide a way to have any server other than the originating instance act as a tracker/seed? The readme diagrams make it seem like the long-term video hosting is still effectively centralized, with only metadata being federated.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by xuki »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #225
laser wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the charging for turn by turn directions also hyperbole? Because I don’t see how that could happen. For one, taking something free and then charging for it generally doesn’t really work. More importantly, though, the free competitors are too sophisticated, so the vast majority would just switch to them.

Not hyperbole. I really do think Google will start charging for that at some point in the next 5 years.

Good luck with that when Apple offer the same thing for free on iOS.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by thaumasiotes »

lucb1e wrote: post #144
Applejinx wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I made a video about this in January, before YouTube strongarmed Blender. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_ksbTTXHw8 I am pretty dismayed to be this right. I didn't think YT would be nearly this aggressive in service of the ideas I outlined. Basically, they take a cut off that activity. In some cases they could take most of or all the money, which is a clear win for them, but even when they pay out they're earning r…

You made a video about YouTube criticism and host it on YouTube? Either that's being optimistic about them, or the dominance is so large that it outweighs everything else...

...wouldn't that be a logical place to post your YouTube criticism? Do you think Martin Luther weakened his message by nailing his criticism of the church to the door of a church? Do you think picket lines are misguided for surrounding their targets when they could picket unrelated areas farther away?
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