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YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by TeMPOraL »

chii wrote: post #211
TeMPOraL wrote: post #169

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> but people enjoying your product (and obviously helping to promote it)? WTF. The usual rationale is that walkthroughs / let's play videos show enough of the game that people may opt to just watch the video, instead of playing the game itself. I can sort of understand this position when it comes to videos that e.g. show the entire single-player campaign with zero commentary. But I'm not convinced that people opting…

> I'm not convinced that people opting for such videos would have bought the game if the walkthroughs were not available. also, if the game has nothing else to offer when compared to a video playthrough, may be it's the game that has the problem!

Not necessarily. Story-rich games are essentially one-time only experiences, even if they are very fun to play through.

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Post by ravenstine »

thinkingemote wrote: post #190
ravenstine wrote: post #57

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People have a tendency to misundertand everything I do, so I'd rather not get into specifics, but in summary: - Intellectual discussions - Fan made instrumentals and remixes (especially for Rammstein) - Found footage, old shows, and other nostalgic material from VHS tapes. (wouldn't surprise me if they get flagged for having Folgers commercials from 1993) - Random funny videos with swearing or vulgar language Not a w…

How do you back up these? Just to a drive on your PC? To a network drive / server etc? And what software do you use? Streamlink?

I have a hard drive connected to a Raspberry Pi with Samba installed. Samba is terribly slow, so I just ended up bypassing that and installing youtube-dl directly on the Raspberry Pi. I'd like to find a more robust solution, but for now that works.

Streamlink looks like a great project. Thanks for mentioning it!

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Post by ravenstine »

jlykins wrote: post #120
ravenstine wrote: post #57

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People have a tendency to misundertand everything I do, so I'd rather not get into specifics, but in summary: - Intellectual discussions - Fan made instrumentals and remixes (especially for Rammstein) - Found footage, old shows, and other nostalgic material from VHS tapes. (wouldn't surprise me if they get flagged for having Folgers commercials from 1993) - Random funny videos with swearing or vulgar language Not a w…

I've been thinking a lot lately about how various small internet subcultures and communities that I've been a part of have been lost to the void. It's one of those things that makes me a special kind of sad and nostalgic. Would you be at all interested in software that helps to construct a permanent showcase of the stuff that matters to you? It would handle things like archiving to enable a focus on curation and pres…

Yeah, I'd definitely be interested in seeing something like that.

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Post by cabalamat »

ben_w wrote: post #101
avs733 wrote: post #81

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I've always felt like false assertion of copyright should cause the loss of copyright. Seems like a fair balance for me. And before someone gets on me...I realize that these are automated filters that are rarely asserted by the actual copyright holder.

I agree with the sentiment, but I think in practice that would lead to something like patent trolls — organizations designed no face no threat from the normal consequences. Plain old money based fines should work. Even a tiny fixed fee of $50 per error might be enough, given the scale of the internet.

> Even a tiny fixed fee of $50 per error might be enough

If the fine went to the person who uploaded the work, this would be good because it would force the filter to be robust in the face of adversarial attacks.

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Post by drderidder »

It's becoming a common occurrence to fall victim to false positives from algorithmic filters. False positives are just always going to be part of any kind of machine-learning algo. In the end it's statistical probability, and probability doesn't equal certainty. Sure there are techniques to reduce false positives, but I sincerely think that any user-affecting policy based on ML / algos should always have a real-live human based support fallback to get real resolution to the real issue of false positives.

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Post by Silhouette »

dilap wrote: post #216
Silhouette wrote: post #213

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hopefully a completely decentralized replacement will arise. Ironically, we used to have a nice, decentralized Internet, and services like YouTube have been probably the biggest cause of damage to it. Not so many years ago, everyone got a bit of web space and their own URL along with the connection from their ISP. You could put your own web site there, for all to see. Many ISPs would allow running some basic software…

i do think the search, recommendations, following, ease-of-uploading, and unlimited hosting capacity that youtube gives you are of real, incredible value. i can find videos on youtube of how to do practically anything, uploaded by every kind of person imaginable. practically speaking, people creating their own webpages and hoping to get indexed by a search engine or included in a hand-curated directory is not going t…

i do think the search, recommendations, following, ease-of-uploading, and unlimited hosting capacity that youtube gives you are of real, incredible value.

They're certainly useful. I just question whether we wouldn't have found other ways to achieve these kinds of benefits if we didn't have YouTube, with the entire Internet interested in the results and well over a decade to come up with something.

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Post by ben_w »

cabalamat wrote: post #224
ben_w wrote: post #101

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I agree with the sentiment, but I think in practice that would lead to something like patent trolls — organizations designed no face no threat from the normal consequences. Plain old money based fines should work. Even a tiny fixed fee of $50 per error might be enough, given the scale of the internet.

> Even a tiny fixed fee of $50 per error might be enough If the fine went to the person who uploaded the work, this would be good because it would force the filter to be robust in the face of adversarial attacks.

I’m no lawyer, but deliberately performing adversarial attacks to get rich from being automatically and incorrectly fined feels like it ought to be somewhere between fraud and hacking (in the Computer Misuse Act sense rather than thr hackernews sense).

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Post by scroogly »

glenneroo wrote: post #206
adjkant wrote: post #115

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I really like the per error idea - allows for large cases to have no barrier to contest but for the whole thing to not become like patent trolling. Maybe also some sort of threshold for mass cases, like a progressive taxation: If you're right 95% of the time, you get a discount. If you're wrong 50% of the time, you pay the full fee. Who would be in charge of setting these?

Or what about a system like they use in Finland to deal with speeding tickets - the fine is based on your income. The local paper has a weekly list of top offenders, which is amusing to say the least.

Sorry to hijack the thread slightly, but is only to introduce some visibility to the fact that this particular issue is nothing to do with the EU, or content ID, or anything like that.

Google is blackmailing the Blender foundation to try and get them to enable adverts.

https://www.blender.org/media-exposure/youtube-blocks-blende...

edit - and Blender have now got https://video.blender.org/ in testing already. I didn't think they'd be the ideal people to issue ultimatums to on video hosting, given their technical specialities.

A situation like this triggered the development of git, (after the licence to use bitkeeper was withdrawn from the linux kernel team) so I will be watching the fallout with interest.

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Post by rosstex »

gnulinux wrote: post #148
local_yokel wrote: post #117

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For people with a signal processing background, this is actually a very trivial thing. The basic technique has been in use for probably a hundred years - radar being a classical example - nothing at all to do with Google. Basically, you can get a signal-to-noise ratio improvement proportional to the duration of the signal you're attempting to detect (in this case, audio), thus allowing you to detect very weak signals…

This is very true. In UC Berkeley, the very first linear algebra course all EE/CS freshman take (EE 16A) has a lab that does EXACTLY this. You match part of a song with some very noisy sound. If freshmen are taught to do this, it's easily something Google can do.

Go Bears. I weaseled my way out of the requirement for 16A (when it was transitioning to replace EE 20/40), and I kinda regret it now.

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Post by obsurveyor »

There's an update buried at the bottom of the article. Ton Roosendaal tweeted[1] that they sent Blender a contract to enable monetization. I can see why he doesn't want to do it based on the principles of the Blender Foundation. Sounds to me like Youtube is holding these creator's content hostage because they don't want to put up ads.

He put the contract up for review as well: http://download.blender.org/institute/Contract%20between%20G...

[1] https://twitter.com/tonroosendaal/status/1009010581549060097

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