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Re: Anthony Bourdain has died

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Post by sykh »

berberous wrote: post #169
Ntrails wrote: post #60

>, I can only hope that people as a whole start seeing it as a complex issue and the stigma of mental issues and stress can lessen so that people can get help Possibly inappropriate - but why do people immediately link suicide and mental illness? Why do we stand in judgement declaring it wrong to decide ones own fate? Am I not the master of my own existence and do I not have the right to make a decision on it without…

There is an excellent documentary called "The Bridge" about people committing suicide by jumping off of the golden gate bridge in SF. Given the height of the bridge, it takes 4 seconds before you hit the water, and some people survive it. They had interviews with people that survived it -- and they basically all said that as soon as they let go, they realized it was a mistake. That all of their problems were solvable…

My wife is a psychiatrist and has dealt with people who survived suicide attempts. Mostly people who tried to kill themselves by shooting themself in the head. She says that her experience is that people do not immediately regret the decision just the consequence of having survived severe damage to the head.

It seems, at first thought, unreasonable that people trying to kill themselves by jumping off a bridge would be more likely to regret the decision than people who shoot themselves in the head. I wonder if this is mostly a selective choosing of the survivors of jumping off the bridge to fit a narrative.

Re: Anthony Bourdain has died

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Post by nscalf »

readhn wrote: post #27
nautilus12 wrote: post #22

Anyone have any idea why? Not to encourage speculation but was there something hes been publicly struggling with?

Have you ever watched his shows? There is a sad dark thread going through all of them.. dark humor, his comments on life, interactions with other people etc. She time He made it interesting and very real. The world is not all roses and I think that's what he tried to show.

I will never forget the episode where he goes diving for octopus in Sicily. The comments on how disgusted he was by his guide throwing dead octopus into the water for them to "catch"... it was Bourdain at his best.

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Post by heartbreak »

DanBC wrote: post #24
anoncoward111 wrote: post #13

Really, really horrible news. The anecdotal data is really starting to pile up in my mind- Chester Bennington, Chris Cornell, Kate Spade, Anthony Bourdain... ... suicide is all too common in our world, and some professions (especially doctors) are affected more than others. All of the money and fame in the world cannot protect you from the depths of your mind. I hope that anyone struggling with this affliction can kn…

> and some professions (especially doctors) are affected more than others. Doctors don't have higher rates of death by suicide. I think female doctors do have a higher rate of death by suicide than women in general. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/65/wr/mm6525a1.htm

Perhaps it should read, "especially veterinarians."

> A 2014 federal Centers for Disease Control online survey of 10,000 practicing veterinarians published last year found that more than one in six American veterinarians has considered suicide.

The study: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6405a6.htm

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Post by monkeynotes »

ada1981 wrote: post #49

I struggled with mental health issues my entire adult life. Psychosis, Schizophrenia, Biploar, Anxiety, Suicidal Depression, Panic Attacks. It wasn’t until I changed my relationship to all emotions and then sought out a variety of support to safely go deeply into my experience that I was able to find relief. 1 session of MDMA therapy lifted a decade of suicidal thoughts; session 2 a year later largely freed me of anx…

I wish I knew where to seek the treatment you found. I suffer from anxiety, depression, and trauma and it limits my potential every day. I have counselling but I find it extremely difficult to connect with the source of all of it and flush it out. I know it's in there, hiding. The ego death you speak of is what I invite every day but the negativity and shame that my ego has insulated itself with is extremely resilient.

Re: Anthony Bourdain has died

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Post by CuriouslyC »

JshWright wrote: post #19
emptyfile wrote: post #11

Wow, suicide... Most people would tell me his life is their dream. Rest in peace.

Depression doesn't care how awesome your life is.

Most cases of depression do care how awesome your life is. Depression rates aren't spiking because people's brains have suddenly stopped working properly, it's because society has gotten progressively more dehumanizing.

It is also a mistake to think that being a celebrity is necessarily awesome. The loss of privacy and the barrier celebrity presents to having genuine interactions can literally be a killer.

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Post by ianai »

jb1991 wrote: post #192
daxorid wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm going to defend 69132 here. 1. We know that the symptoms of many different varieties of mental illness have been helped by the administration of SSRIs and other drugs that alter brain chemistry. 2. But what we most assuredly do not know is that mental illness patients have detectably different brain chemistry from baseline. We assume from (1) that (2) follows, but we have no actual evidence of (2). Herein lies th…

I think there a difference between saying what you have said, which admits the possibility of real chemical imbalance based on surrounding contexts, even if more research and evidence is necessary to fully understand or prove it, vs, outright saying that it is a "myth," as the OP did, which is both dismissive and inaccurate.

Yes. I’m not a neurologist and my views shouldn’t be taken as medical. But many issues are classified by the nature of their remediation. Also, it’s my understanding that treating depression with just medicine and no counseling is frowned upon.

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Post by jcranendonk »

smn1234 wrote: post #219
ctrl-j wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Being sad and unhappy is natural... And is not an accurate description of depression. If you think depressed people are just sad/unhappy - please read more on this debilitating disorder.

Maybe the definition of depression is different, society to society. I'm certain a good amount of earth's human population has at one point in the course of their lives felt hopelessness, for whatever amount of time. The majority of those with access to TV who've also seen some American media have likely felt they're missing out on the riches and opportunities that can be had that they're not fortunate to. Is the def…

Your own opinions with regards to depression are factually incorrect.

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Post by tbiteteitb »

Ntrails wrote: post #60

>, I can only hope that people as a whole start seeing it as a complex issue and the stigma of mental issues and stress can lessen so that people can get help Possibly inappropriate - but why do people immediately link suicide and mental illness? Why do we stand in judgement declaring it wrong to decide ones own fate? Am I not the master of my own existence and do I not have the right to make a decision on it without…

We, as humans, have an instinct to survive.

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Post by rcxdude »

smn1234 wrote: post #219
ctrl-j wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Being sad and unhappy is natural... And is not an accurate description of depression. If you think depressed people are just sad/unhappy - please read more on this debilitating disorder.

Maybe the definition of depression is different, society to society. I'm certain a good amount of earth's human population has at one point in the course of their lives felt hopelessness, for whatever amount of time. The majority of those with access to TV who've also seen some American media have likely felt they're missing out on the riches and opportunities that can be had that they're not fortunate to. Is the def…

You do not appear to have understood the problem at all.

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Post by ShabbosGoy »

jm__87 wrote: post #140
Ntrails wrote: post #60

>, I can only hope that people as a whole start seeing it as a complex issue and the stigma of mental issues and stress can lessen so that people can get help Possibly inappropriate - but why do people immediately link suicide and mental illness? Why do we stand in judgement declaring it wrong to decide ones own fate? Am I not the master of my own existence and do I not have the right to make a decision on it without…

Do you really think Anthony Bourdain wanted to die and hurt the people who care about him? Suicide is what people do when they simply cannot go on any longer - this says nothing about whether they wish they could keep going or not.

I always thought of the act of suicide as making a statement. It really is the highest and ultimate statement one can make about their life and circumstances. It’s more than just giving up and not being able to go on any longer. The act itself has a lot of symbolic meaning.
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