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Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to Allo, double down on RCS

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Re: Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to Allo, double down on RCS

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It all depends if there's a 2G network to fall back on if 3G+ data goes down. Most places have shut down their 2G.

>Most places have shut down their 2G. Citation? I haven't seen this to be the case in California - at least on Verizon.

Only AT&T shut down 2G. T-Mobile reiterated recently that their 2G network will probably be shut down after their 3G one, since it hardly uses any spectrum.

Re: Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to Allo, double down on RCS

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Its shocking how Google is embarrassing itself with these incompatible chat apps released one after another and abandoned right after the release. GTalk Gmail Chat Google Voice Hangouts Android Messages Allo Duo for fucks sake Google, just copy Whatsapp but make it stored on cloud, not on the device, like FB Messenger. Enable account recovery using email in addition to sms and enable usernames or email in addition ph…

I think Google gave it a pretty good shot at competing with WhatsApp with Allo. The problem is that at the end of the day, the network effect is what matters with messaging. No matter how good the product, it doesn't matter if everyone I know doesn't use it as well. It's not an engineering question, it's a social one; a lot has to change to get people to switch from iMessage, WhatsApp and Facebook Messenger today. Th…

Networking effects matter, but only when after you abandon a common protocol in favor of walled gardens.

Re: Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to Allo, double down on RCS

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Didn't Google have messaging figured out with Google Talk? Everyone was on Gmail all day (as many still are) and people actually used it. Then they let it wither, came out with Hangouts, and it's been a downhill train wreck from there. Google Talk had the potential of being one of the biggest messengers in the world...they own Gmail and Android (!!!!!). Are you kidding me? There's really no good reason for them NOT t…

Yep - what's weird is gtalk used to work pretty well even in business context. Then they went the crazy forced google+ route (I actually liked google+, but they just kept jamming it everywhere - even youtube seemed to want to force a linked google+ profile - it was unusable) and started blowing up how chat worked over and over. Where these things linked? Google talk / hangouts seems to have started going down with th…

I wonder how often they get internal suggestions to kill google+ which get vetoed out of brand pride.

Re: Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to Allo, double down on RCS

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The carriers are idiots. It's where innovation goes to die. We had to pull them kicking and screaming into the smart phone and data era. (Remember When AT&T sent a paper copy of every image you downloaded on your iPhone in a bill?) Quite frankly the core problem with Google's strategy is involving then at all. Instead, go the manufacturers and campaign against supporting sms at all . It's insecure, slow, unreliable,…

> The carriers are idiots. For decades, ISPs/cell networks' biggest fear is becoming "dumb pipes". But they all seem to land there eventually.

Yes.... lack of vision is what seems to define an ISP. Creating content, while 'sexy', is fleeting and incredibly expensive. Delivering the content reliably and quickly is a predictable busy model. ISPs should be clamoring to advertise how they deliver Netflix the fastest, or offer equivalent to Cloudflare's service but for their customers. Instead, we get an XFINITY VOICE REMOTE O.M.G. and a platform thats update once every 5 years.

Re: Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to Allo, double down on RCS

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The carriers are idiots. It's where innovation goes to die. We had to pull them kicking and screaming into the smart phone and data era. (Remember When AT&T sent a paper copy of every image you downloaded on your iPhone in a bill?) Quite frankly the core problem with Google's strategy is involving then at all. Instead, go the manufacturers and campaign against supporting sms at all . It's insecure, slow, unreliable,…

> Remember When AT&T sent a paper copy of every image you downloaded on your iPhone in a bill? No, no I don't - that has to be apocryphal.

From another comment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/300-page_iPhone_bill

Re: Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to Allo, double down on RCS

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You can take “messaging” out of that first sentence.

Bing and Apple Maps here we come?

I don't have an iPhone, but my understanding was that users had strongly adopted Apple Maps after the initial stumbles.

http://www.betaboston.com/news/2015/12/07/apple-maps-once-a-...

Re: Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to Allo, double down on RCS

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It's a pretty simple explanation. Google talk was XMPP which is just not a good mobile protocol.

By "not a good" you mean an open protocol not controlled by Google?

No, by "not a good" he probably means that it's not well suited for low battery consumption expected from a mobile device.

Don't push your words on other people :(

Re: Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to Allo, double down on RCS

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It's a pretty simple explanation. Google talk was XMPP which is just not a good mobile protocol.

By "not a good" you mean an open protocol not controlled by Google?

IIRC WeChat started from the ground up with a custom protocol designed for compatibility/efficiency with low bandwidth mobile networks for maximum reach, IMHO a great example of thinking outside the box of "let's use XMPP since it works".

Re: Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to Allo, double down on RCS

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post #94

Its shocking how Google is embarrassing itself with these incompatible chat apps released one after another and abandoned right after the release. GTalk Gmail Chat Google Voice Hangouts Android Messages Allo Duo for fucks sake Google, just copy Whatsapp but make it stored on cloud, not on the device, like FB Messenger. Enable account recovery using email in addition to sms and enable usernames or email in addition ph…

Google has a culture where rewards and power go to the people who release products, not managers who maintain business lines. It means that they create great products but often don't support them well.
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