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Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It

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Re: Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It

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Post by TACIXAT »

jcadam wrote: post #157
vijaybritto wrote: post #155

"Another “alt-Facebook” could be a nonprofit that uses that status to signal its dedication to better practices, much as nonprofit hospitals and universities do" -> Honestly, I don't think this would be sustainable to function as a social network. At least I don't think it would work in a capitalist society.

I've had the same thought. Charge a small monthly fee in lieu of running ads or selling user data. Might cut down on fake/spam accounts as well. But I don't think it would work (and I'd totally work on something like this if I thought it would). People say they care about privacy, but when you present them with the option of paying $5/mo for a service that respects their privacy or using a "free" service that tracks…

I feel 5 dollars is expensive for a monthly. Servers are pretty cheap, storage is pretty cheap. There is no realistic way to pay a few pennies per month though. Maybe 5 dollars yearly. If it's a not for profit then they just need to operate slightly above cost.

Re: Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It

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Post by wdr1 »

vinniejames wrote: post #46

We did replace it, almost 10 years ago. It was called Diaspora[1], no one cared about privacy then. No one really cares about privacy now, at least not enough to do anything about it. 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_(social_network)

+1

In reality, people aren't upset about privacy. They're upset Trump won.

Re: Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It

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Post by silverbax88 »

wdr1 wrote: post #222
vinniejames wrote: post #46

We did replace it, almost 10 years ago. It was called Diaspora[1], no one cared about privacy then. No one really cares about privacy now, at least not enough to do anything about it. 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_(social_network)

+1 In reality, people aren't upset about privacy. They're upset Trump won.

They're not upset about privacy, they're upset the election was stolen. They didn't care when those of us with experience in election issues brought this up 20 years ago, they didn't care in 2000, they didn't care until suddenly a pretend-billionaire reality star stole an election.

As soon as they can get rid of him, they will go back to not caring, even though it's more dangerous than ever and we've been telling them for decades.

Re: Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It

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Post by tomcooks »

akkat wrote: post #156
tomcooks wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everytime you say, hear or read the word "Facebook" replace it with either "mom and dad" or "the creep". Works great.

Except it doesn't. Situation a: Facebook knows what I did last night. Result: I get ads tailored to what I did. Situation b: Mom and Dad knows what I did last night. Result: I get grounded.

Guess what a teenager cares about more, coincidentally it's also the joke you just missed

Re: Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It

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Post by georgeecollins »

wdr1 wrote: post #222
vinniejames wrote: post #46

We did replace it, almost 10 years ago. It was called Diaspora[1], no one cared about privacy then. No one really cares about privacy now, at least not enough to do anything about it. 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_(social_network)

+1 In reality, people aren't upset about privacy. They're upset Trump won.

It's not fair to say they don't care about privacy when by in large when they are surrendering it they are not aware. The average person has a very low awareness of the long term implications to the loss of privacy and how affect say, their chances of getting a job, or getting the best price for a product. But they will figure it out.

When I read about the Cambridge Analitica story I was kind of shocked anyone was surprised by what they are doing. I have seen companies hoover up data from Facebook in a similar way so I have always understood that under their old ToS any friend could give away your data by participating in an app. It had been like that for a long time (they changed the ToS-- I believe in 2015). That seemed terrible to me, years ago. The fact that it took people so long to be shocked about it just shows that their is going to be a long lag between when these things happen and when popular consciousness catches up with the implications.

Re: Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It

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Post by md2be »

vinniejames wrote: post #46

We did replace it, almost 10 years ago. It was called Diaspora[1], no one cared about privacy then. No one really cares about privacy now, at least not enough to do anything about it. 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_(social_network)

This is typical NYT writing articles that support its one agenda. if we need to replace something it’s the nyt

Re: Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It

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Post by jcadam »

bachmeier wrote: post #164
jcadam wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had the same thought. Charge a small monthly fee in lieu of running ads or selling user data. Might cut down on fake/spam accounts as well. But I don't think it would work (and I'd totally work on something like this if I thought it would). People say they care about privacy, but when you present them with the option of paying $5/mo for a service that respects their privacy or using a "free" service that tracks…

$60/year to post about taking the kids to visit Grandma is pretty steep for most users.

Then maybe we ought to charge $0.05 per post instead of a flat monthly fee :)

Re: Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It

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Post by indigodaddy »

staticvar wrote: post #145
newscracker wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually tried this a while ago, and found that the audience also had to use Beaker to access the content. That's a huge barrier if current browsers don't support this.

Beaker uses Dat protocol as opposed to HTTP under the hood. Dat protocol support is coming to Brave browser, probably Firefox next. The P2P web is about to take off.

I like the idea of dat/ipfs/p2p web, however , I'm hesitant to use my personal computer as the "peer" for this sort of thing.

Can you just host/peer your ipfs/dat webpages/services/stuff from a Linux VPS/server?

Re: Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It

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Post by komali2 »

md2be wrote: post #226
vinniejames wrote: post #46

We did replace it, almost 10 years ago. It was called Diaspora[1], no one cared about privacy then. No one really cares about privacy now, at least not enough to do anything about it. 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_(social_network)

This is typical NYT writing articles that support its one agenda. if we need to replace something it’s the nyt

>one agenda

Can you clarify what you believe the New York Times' agenda is, as demonstrated by this opinion piece article, and how "Tim Wu, law professor at Columbia," has been employed to propagate the NYT agenda?

Also, why should the NYT be replaced, and what should it be replaced by?

Re: Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It

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Post by Joeboy »

aaron-lebo wrote: post #61
noobermin wrote: post #54

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I think people care a lot more today than they used too. The problem is people use facebook because they have to.

If people really cared about their privacy they wouldn't broadcast their personal lives to millions of people (see social media). Until that's corrected (how do you get out of that social cycle where you have to market and yell louder than everyone else?), it's going to continue. People are mad at FB the same way people get mad when they realize they've been in manipulative relationships, but I'm not sure many people…

> People are mad at FB the same way people get mad when they realize they've been in manipulative relationships

To run with the simile, maybe some people remain in abusive relationships because of a reasonable fear that leaving will have consequences that are worse than staying.

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