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Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by deno »

withdavidli wrote: post #160
hartator wrote: post #122

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Parent makes it sounds that most gun owners are not law abiding when they are. A gun ban will effectively confiscate guns from good people. Like it did in other countries.

Law abiding to not law abiding if new law / repeal of amendment happens, and they gave an example of a relavent instance. Is your argument that you believe most/all law abiding citizens that currently own guns will willing destroy/turn over their guns of new laws pass against ownership? Looking at reports on Australia it seems the effectiveness on turning in guns was anywhere from 40-80 percent. Effectiveness for pro…

When we say majority of gun owners are ‘law-abididing citizens’ we mean they’re good and moral people, and not that they’re obedient subjects.

Your argument seems to be focused on semantics, which is fine, except you’re missing the point of this statement.

There’s very much a difference in disobeying a natural law like murder and an arbitrary, reactionary, and most of all, unconstitutional, law that’s designed to limit freedom and achieve nothing.

Civil disobedience is amoral. In fact, when the law in question is unjust or unconstitutional to disobey it is a virtue.

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by Yetanfou »

collias wrote: post #31
MrMember wrote: post #22

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I've deleted both my YouTube and reddit accounts. I've been trying to de-Google my life, this will probably accelerate that. Just need a proper mobile Linux device and I can finally dump Android.

Why not an iPhone? At least Apple seems to care about privacy, and they aren't an ad-tech company like Google or FB.

Because a rooted Android device with a Google-free AOSP distribution is (mostly - radio firmware being the exception) 'my phone' while an 'iPhone' is not. On the Android I get to decide what software gets installed, what services to run and which to shun, which programs to allow network access with fine-grained control, both in- and outgoing traffic, which versions of the software to run, etcetera. With the iPhone the choice is rather limited and the controls are mostly in the hands of Apple. While some seem to consider Apple to be a benevolent dictator I'd rather avoid dictators altogether, apart from my doubts about their benevolence.

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by pasquinelli »

flounders wrote: post #144
patrickg_zill wrote: post #105

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The object is, that every man should have a gun - Patrick Henry You might well be a member of your state militia and not even be aware of it...

There is an interesting section that goes into the scholarly interpretation of the 2nd amendment in the Wikipedia article on it, and it's only been in the 20th century and after that we have gotten into what militia, well regulated and whether or not the people have the right or militias. The main point the founding fathers had for the militias was to defend the country from foreign invaders and from a tyrannical gov…

the hypothetical tyrant just wins over the gun nuts who shoot up the regular folks. tidy.

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Post by 1337biz »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #3

This is due to US Section 230 legislation changing this week, spurred by the actions and legal battles of backpage.com https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2018/03/21/59... "The Backpage saga has galvanized lawmakers to act on bills amending Section 230 with the goal of stemming online sex trafficking. The legislation allows more state and civil lawsuits against websites related to online sex trafficking, f…

> better protect the public against sex trafficking and countries that try to hack our political system

Now that's an odd topic association. No idea what to think of this, but this sounds odd. Are they using the sex traffickng angle to push a second agenda?

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Post by foghagernows »

themacguffinman wrote: post #175
nbdev wrote: post #163

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Why have a society if you cannot trust the people in it to defend themselves?

Because when we organize a society, we can specialize into roles like policing and become more effective at defense as a whole?

This isn't like organizing roles at a startup company. We're talking about an individual's right to defend themselves against someone bigger and stronger, someone with a weapon who wants to take your shit or fuck you or just fuck you up.

You put much faith in the Government, and I put it in the individual.

What happens when your police force is turned against you, becomes incompetent, gets lazy, or just doesn't show up?

It's idealistic. Life is a struggle for the individual, no matter how much we'd like to forget it or offload our worries.

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Post by pasquinelli »

nbdev wrote: post #205
jjjensen90 wrote: post #173

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Generally I am against loss of human life, be it in war or gun violence, but I'm not sure how I would have felt at the time of the Revolution, and I'm not sure you do either. But really, that is just a weak strawman. The US government/military is MANY orders of magnitude more powerful than the British vs the colonists. The US military could nuke every single state capital in a few minutes, for example. If you take th…

You missed the part where I mentioned Vietnam, and the part where I asked what if half the military defects? I'm against loss of human life too, that's why I'm pro-2nd Amendment. People can defend themselves. People can fight off tyranny. Given enough time, people will need to do that again.

what if half the military and all the gun nuts decide this country is for whites only? the people can fight for tyrrant as well as against it.

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Post by itbeho »

pasquinelli wrote: post #218
zombieprocesses wrote: post #64

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> Societies evolve and social views change. That's why we have principles and constitutional rights. So that our rights aren't taken away on a whim of societal change. I'm from NY and I've never owned a gun and I probably will never do so. But even I would be against repealing the 2nd amendment. The fact that people here are so openly talking about repealing the 2nd amendment and taking away more of our rights is rea…

the constitution allows itself to be changed. ultimately it comes down to the whims of society.

It takes more than a whim to change it.

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Post by pasquinelli »

nbdev wrote: post #163
Larrikin wrote: post #149

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The logical conclusion from that train of thought is that laws have no meaning if people break the laws. So why have any laws?

Why have a society if you cannot trust the people in it to defend themselves?

why not defend yourself with something less likly to accidentally kill some random people?

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Post by 1337biz »

reitanqild wrote: post #220
1337biz wrote: post #214

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It comes across patronizing when you tell others what to do without having the slightes clue about their situation. His gun might not be working, he might even have no bullets at all. Still you go on about how he should by some weapons approved locker even so you have no idea where he is storing it right now. Just don't make so many assumptions about other people.

> It comes across patronizing when you tell others what to do without having the slightes clue about their situation. Sorry for that. Will take steps to fix. > His gun might not be working, Based on the description it seems to be very much in working order. > he might even have no bullets at all. Still makes it a valuable target for criminals as ammunition might be even easier to get hold of. > Just don't make so man…

Don't think about the downvotes that much. They are sometimes just about timing. Around this time Europe is getting up so your post will be flooded with positive upvotes in no time.

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Post by int_19h »

chx wrote: post #178
zombieprocesses wrote: post #64

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> Societies evolve and social views change. That's why we have principles and constitutional rights. So that our rights aren't taken away on a whim of societal change. I'm from NY and I've never owned a gun and I probably will never do so. But even I would be against repealing the 2nd amendment. The fact that people here are so openly talking about repealing the 2nd amendment and taking away more of our rights is rea…

> That's why we have principles and constitutional rights. You never had a constitutional right to owe a firearm. This is legal nonsense put together relatively recently, starting as answer to the Black Panthers arming themselves and then later some politics. Please look at https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/nra-guns-sec... > From 1888, when law review articles first were indexed, through 1959, every sin…

I would recommend reading this article. It was written in 80s, when NRA was just gaining political steam, and long before Heller v. DC (after which, like it or not, there is definitely a constitutional right). And it's written by an unsympathetic liberal law scholar.

https://www.firearmsandliberty.com/embar.html

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