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Facebook’s Surveillance Machine

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Re: Facebook’s Surveillance Machine

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Set up a site specific browser, which makes it easier to sequester all FB cookies and browsing to a separate environment. I use Fluid on macOS, but there are other approaches. http://fluidapp.com

What's the advantage of this over a private or incognito window?

If you are more paranoid of intra-browser security risks than inter-browser risks?

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This is one of the better side-effects of Trump. We wouldn´t be having this conversation if Hillary or Bernie had used these powerful resources to tilt the odds and get elected. Because almost no one with a platform likes Trump, it gets exposed. If this happened under Obama (like, uh, Assange and Snowden and Manning and massive data centers in Utah happened), it would be completely swept under the rug in favor of a f…

So Thiel is playing 5d chess too? How about this: He has shitty political opinions and enough money to put them into action. Your wishful thinking is just delusional.

It's not really 5D chess. Republicans have been saying "starve the lion" (e.g. taking huge deficits and then proposing budget cuts) since Reagan. I wouldn't be surprised if Hayek's "The Road to Serfdom" (which I never read, I just know the blurb) proposes this meta-strategy en passant somewhere.

Re: Facebook’s Surveillance Machine

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Obama had the Obama 2012 app ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nafYT7_i4as ). Anyone downloading it knew that the goal of it was to help get Obama elected. CA ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpbeOCKZFfQ ) tricked people into giving up their data and used it to spread targeted propaganda. How is this the same?

> Anyone downloading it knew that the goal of it was to help get Obama elected. Was Obama 2012 restricted to collecting information of its downloaders? Or did it collect all of the downloaders' friends' information as well? Facebook certainly allowed for this (until 2014, that is).

They pulled the whole friend graph and used it to generate emails pushing supporters to reach out to specific named friends who live in specific states.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/facebooks-ru...

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It is such an eye opening experience to see how media frames things when they try to support or sabotage somebody. This seems so far the clearest demonstration for anyone remotely interested in the topic.

So could you educate us by showing the comparable actions of the Obama campaign?

This Washington Post article has details. Obama Supporters clicked OK on apps, those apps pulled their friend graph (including the state of residence of friends) to generate outreach such as emails encouraging the supporter to evangelize specifically named friends on behalf of the campaign: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/facebooks-ru...

Re: Facebook’s Surveillance Machine

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You're right. What upset me though was the conclusion that it's "impossible" to leave Facebook. Everything is possible, including walking instead of driving, not eating meat, etc. Some things are more inconvenient than others, but if convenience trumps everything and you can't accept to make any sacrifice whatsoever then maybe you deserve to be taken advantage of.

I wish there was a name for this fallacy because it comes up so often. When you have a systemic problem, you do not have a viable solution if your solution requires the conscientious choices of every affected individual. If that worked, we would have already solved car accidents (obey all the traffic laws!), suicide (don't kill yourself!), obesity (don't eat too much unhealthy food), debt (don't spend more than you m…

> I wish there was a name for this fallacy because it comes up so often. When you have a systemic problem, you do not have a viable solution if your solution requires the conscientious choices of every affected individual.

I think that's true of the general problem of data privacy, but I don't think it's exactly true of the particular "Facebook" instance of that problem.

Social networks have withered and died before, and there's no reason to think that Facebook can't be nudged in that direction, one user at a time, until the snowball starts. This seems like a pretty opportune time to get that ball rolling.

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> Some were terrified, but - sadly - most of them didn't and don't mind being tracked. For those friends, I ask them if they can just carry this nickle of mine for me, it will track them and Ill know where they are if I need them. They all refuse to be tracked by me. Then I ask them if they want a raspberry pi or a router from me, with ads blocked and personal access to my virtual private network with access to all m…

>an entity they dont even know or have a relationship with That's the important point. Google and Facebook don't give a shit about me. I'm one of many data points, in a vat with hundreds of millions of other people. How many people will search Google for porn, sometimes really embarrassing stuff? And no one cares. Google certainly doesn't care. But you'd find less people asking their friends for porn or sharing their…

That is the point indeed.

Google and Facebook, will stab you in the back without blinking, to them you area nothing but a number, and sell out your data faster than your friend will.

Even further, Google and Facebook, will drown you in ads and manipulate your mind, sneak in "features" and change your privacy-settings, while your friend will help you avoid it.

You do make a valid point, how low we have sunk, that people will actually trust a company over their own friends. That people would trust a company with "personalization" everywhere, yet believe they can hide in the masses. If they can give you a personal feed, they know you exactly you not an anonymous mass.

> Google and Facebook don't give a shit about me.

They dont give a shit, they are not your friend, and you cant hide behind a number or massive data, their whole game is figuring out the massive data points. Sayin you will hide behind the masses is saying you will be nobody, you will not have anything to say. Thats hard.

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> Facebook makes money, in other words, by profiling us and then selling our attention to advertisers, political actors and others. These are Facebook’s true customers, whom it works hard to please. And you just figured this out now? This is like saying "wow, who knew we would get so fat by feeding only on pizza, hamburgers and coke, aren't those companies evil". Well, yes, companies are evil. They don't work for you…

The media piling on top of facebook is payback for how much facebook has screwed them over with the changes to the news feed. If anyone is interested I'll look for the original sources but in 2012-2016 something like 50%+ of all views on some news sites came from facebook. Then facebook tweaked their front page and now all that traffic is gone.

Someone should have read Machiavelli more: if you are hated, the second you show weakness everyone will try and put you down.

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This is one of the better side-effects of Trump. We wouldn´t be having this conversation if Hillary or Bernie had used these powerful resources to tilt the odds and get elected. Because almost no one with a platform likes Trump, it gets exposed. If this happened under Obama (like, uh, Assange and Snowden and Manning and massive data centers in Utah happened), it would be completely swept under the rug in favor of a f…

"massive data centers in Utah" was absolutely a Bush Administration thing. If Obama didn't stop it, it was due to the toxic political climate and congressional domination by TeaParty/GOP. The current Democratic Party lineup, and over the past 15 years, has also been shifted pretty far to the right, but that has been a result of the effort by the extreme right since the Clinton presidency; since Newt Gingrich, and Fox…

Until Democrats face up to the fact they are now the party of the spies and advertisers they will continue to bumble into this.

Obama absolutely expanded the surveillance state to levels Bush II could only dream of.

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post #207

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> Untethered standalone VR devices are likely a prerequisite to any mainstream adoption and are shipping this year Not good ones though. Any VR headset without positional tracking is essentially a google cardboard.

I don't agree with this sentiment. VR enthusiasts tend to cite 3dof tracking as a non-starter but I have seen enough evidence to suggest that 3dof head tracking is sufficient to deliver comfortable, long sessions for social VR applications. The reason 3dof is not a non-starter is because you can still interact with people in a very natural way in VR with these devices, and the low cost enables access to the experienc…

Certainly I am guilty of deliberately glossing over some of the most functional distinctions between cardboard and more sophisticated setups, but in my view, the lack of positional tracking is so limiting to what can be achieved in software that any VR/AR device without it is permanently relegated to "cool novelty" status and will never be able to pull off a mass-appeal that will create a blockbuster "must have" device.

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This is one of those 'soooo obvious but untrue' statements I use it to keep in touch with far away or unimportant people. Second degree aunts, ex schoolmates, etc. Without FB it's a nightmare keeping in touch the few times I want to (people change email addresses all the time). Also, many groups are useful

You can stay in touch with relatives via mobile phone. You can text them and ask how they do. Personally, I created a Whatsapp group for my extended family. Some of them don't use Facebook by the way. It doesn't make any sense to complain about Facebook's business model and also not want to sacrifice a worthless personal account noone cares about. We choose what we use and they choose how they make money. You can exp…

LOL, and who owns WhatsApp /facepalm

I don't like the "always on" part of WhatsApp and the like. I like FB because I can go on when I fell like. Who are you to tell me what I should use?

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