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SpaceX can't test fire its Falcon Heavy rocket due to the government shutdown

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Re: SpaceX can't test fire its Falcon Heavy rocket due to the government shutdown

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They don't need a govt funded/owned/run launch space to launch, they built their own

Their government doesn't have a launch pad.

to try circling this back to relevancy: NZ is a fantastically business-friendly country where the shenanigans we (US) have to put up with just don't seem to occur (I had a business there for a while, so this isn't just their tourist propaganda talking).

also - I swear I heard a sheep on the launch video for electron.

Re: SpaceX can't test fire its Falcon Heavy rocket due to the government shutdown

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nonsense. There is no evidence whatsoever that spacex's launch of Zuma was anything but a success. Also, in what way is this the most damaging possible timing?

then what the hell is this? https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/01/the-zuma-satellite-l... are you saying they conspired to announce a false failure to hide the spy satellite?

it can be a failure without having been in any way spacex's fault. you can lead a horse to orbit but you can't make it drink - they were just the boost.

also, it can be a success while they allow people to believe it was a failure (there is a history of this, if you'd like to tune your tin-foil receiver to the proper channel)

Re: SpaceX can't test fire its Falcon Heavy rocket due to the government shutdown

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I can't say that I've ever seen that the private sector has a clear advantage, otherwise they would already have taken over running everything. An entity that can rig the courts, the laws, and the regulations to its favor has an advantage. Sure these are just anecdotes. But it puts a hole in the claim that the private sector is ALWAYS better. Yeah, that's just magical thinking nonsense. You have to take the situation…

> An entity that can rig the courts, the laws, and the regulations to its favor has an advantage. You really think the garbage collection department has that much influence?

Yes. For one, they've obtained a position where you are forced to patronize them, even if you would choose to not utilize their services. For two, they generally get themselves excepted from local regulations (eg noise ordinances) for essentially convenience purposes.

Having said that, "privatized" trash collection creates its own type of shithole - whether it's a single vendor obtaining a city's exclusive contract for politicians' short-term balance sheet gains, or many competing services that result in visits by multiple trash trucks every single day.

Re: SpaceX can't test fire its Falcon Heavy rocket due to the government shutdown

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... Until they did? Your comment is true of all bills and all proposals. "Party X was free to vote on it, they chose not to. Until they chose to." Furthermore, the minority had promised to veto all funding unless DACA was included, at all times. Regardless, the above comment was simply pointing out the difference in terms of magnitude.

Maybe the simple reading of the statement is true of everything, but what’s unique here is that it was deliberately held up so it could be used as a bludgeon during the shutdown negotiations.

Especially egregious was the fact that it had broad bipartisan support, and had been scored by the CBO to save money. The health and welfare of children was used as a political bludgeon.

Re: SpaceX can't test fire its Falcon Heavy rocket due to the government shutdown

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> An entity that can rig the courts, the laws, and the regulations to its favor has an advantage. You really think the garbage collection department has that much influence?

Yes. For one, they've obtained a position where you are forced to patronize them, even if you would choose to not utilize their services. For two, they generally get themselves excepted from local regulations (eg noise ordinances) for essentially convenience purposes. Having said that, "privatized" trash collection creates its own type of shithole - whether it's a single vendor obtaining a city's exclusive contract f…

> For one, they've obtained a position where you are forced to patronize them, even if you would choose to not utilize their services.

If a private service is being chosen, they have that same position. This is not an advantage that government-run pickup has over private pickup.

> For two, they generally get themselves excepted from local regulations (eg noise ordinances) for essentially convenience purposes.

I'd expect similar laws to be in play no matter who is chosen, is that unrealistic?

Re: SpaceX can't test fire its Falcon Heavy rocket due to the government shutdown

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I'm a business analyst and work with both private sector and government clients. From about a decade of analyzing how each type operates, I can tell you that the amount of bullshit that goes on in them is about the same level.

Completely disagree. Government RFPs are an order of magnitude more absurd than private sector bureaucratic requests. It's not even close.

Sure, but the private sector has its own equivalent vehicles of waste, such as corporate executives getting paid insane salaries and bonuses even for average performance. You don’t get that in government because salaries are capped.

Re: SpaceX can't test fire its Falcon Heavy rocket due to the government shutdown

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We're just gonna have to use the drone ship.

They will anyway; the center core separates later and won't do a boostback to land. And there are only two landing zones at the Cape as well.

But that's irrelevant to the launch; they cannot launch from the ASDS.

Re: SpaceX can't test fire its Falcon Heavy rocket due to the government shutdown

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Yes. For one, they've obtained a position where you are forced to patronize them, even if you would choose to not utilize their services. For two, they generally get themselves excepted from local regulations (eg noise ordinances) for essentially convenience purposes. Having said that, "privatized" trash collection creates its own type of shithole - whether it's a single vendor obtaining a city's exclusive contract f…

> For one, they've obtained a position where you are forced to patronize them, even if you would choose to not utilize their services. If a private service is being chosen, they have that same position. This is not an advantage that government-run pickup has over private pickup. > For two, they generally get themselves excepted from local regulations (eg noise ordinances) for essentially convenience purposes. I'd exp…

If a private service is being chosen, they have that same position. This is not an advantage that government-run pickup has over private pickup.

Unless, the local government actually structures a market and gives people a choice. Then competition can cause the service to clean up its act.

Re: SpaceX can't test fire its Falcon Heavy rocket due to the government shutdown

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We're just gonna have to use the drone ship.

They will anyway; the center core separates later and won't do a boostback to land. And there are only two landing zones at the Cape as well. But that's irrelevant to the launch; they cannot launch from the ASDS.

do you have friends inside at the launch team? would help to share some of the conversation here, given what we're planning

Re: SpaceX can't test fire its Falcon Heavy rocket due to the government shutdown

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post #227

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They will anyway; the center core separates later and won't do a boostback to land. And there are only two landing zones at the Cape as well. But that's irrelevant to the launch; they cannot launch from the ASDS.

do you have friends inside at the launch team? would help to share some of the conversation here, given what we're planning

I don't know anyone at SpaceX, but that info is fairly well-known and public.
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