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Re: JS Paint – A web-based MS Paint remake

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Post by shrimpx »

blt wrote: post #41

The UI and behavior is amazingly close to the real thing. But I cannot help but sigh when the brush tool lags more than Paint lagged on a 233 MHz Celeron. I really think this is an awesome project, but I am old enough (30) to remember fast performing GUI apps and I don't know if I'll ever "get over" losing them. edit: hopefully it is an inefficient implementation and not the inherent slowness of web apps.

It's kinda silly to reminisce about the 90s when it comes to computing performance.

I remember the 90s. A windows upgrade took 2-7 days to complete, a large file could take 10-30 seconds to save, opening and quitting apps was on the order of 10+ seconds optimistically. Everything crashed all the time. This was the default behavior of a brand new $3,000+ machine.

No, thanks. :-P

Re: JS Paint – A web-based MS Paint remake

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Post by wetpaws »

colordrops wrote: post #68
wetpaws wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly 20-30 minute more than any sane person should waste on a image editor.

If you only use it once yeah. I'm super casual and just use it for cropping and resizing and whatnot, and have used it dozens of times. Worth 20-30 minutes.

I am a digital artist and I've been using Photoshop since 2000s. I still find it infinitely more comfortable to open mspaint and do quick resizing or image editing there.

When I forced to use gimp I simultaneously want to a) kill myself b) kill developers of gimp and their family members.

Re: JS Paint – A web-based MS Paint remake

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Post by Pamar »

placebo wrote: post #126
Pamar wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can anyone suggest a small, OSX graphical editor? I really just need one specific thing: "making a negative image". I have it on IrfanView, but I could not find a simple equivalent on MacOSX.

I have IrfanView on Mac (via Wine project) and it works flawlessly. However, if you don't want to install Wine on your OSX, there are other alternatives, some mentioned here already. Personally, I like xnview - its free and probably includes everything you'd want (and supports making a negative image)

I solved my needs with https://www.xnview.com/en/xnviewmp/ and http://projects.apricus.be/en/xnconvert/ (looks like "negative" is not available in xnview, or I was unable to find it at least).

Thanks!

Re: JS Paint – A web-based MS Paint remake

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Post by TeMPOraL »

epicide wrote: post #219
TeMPOraL wrote: post #200

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The problem is that most software of today doesn't do much more than software of a decade+ ago. The capacity of hardware is filled with boilerplate, abstraction layers and an occasional UI animation sprinkled on top, instead of more powerful solutions to more difficult problems.

Except that what used to require a much larger and heavier machine can now be done with a phone, if not a watch. Cars don't really do much more than they did a century ago. This doesn't mean there haven't been HUGE improvements to make them do their function better.

> Except that what used to require a much larger and heavier machine can now be done with a phone, if not a watch.

That's just a function of miniaturizing hardware. Think how much longer your phone's battery would last if not for the software bloat.

> Cars don't really do much more than they did a century ago. This doesn't mean there haven't been HUGE improvements to make them do their function better.

They serve the same fundamental purpose (moving people around), but they are faster, more economical, much more safe, and offer large amount of convenience features. In a way, it's the exact inverse of what's happening with software.

Re: JS Paint – A web-based MS Paint remake

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Post by craftyguy »

RogueIMP wrote: post #152
barbs wrote: post #5

I haven't used Windows as a primary OS for years. I miss having MSPaint around for small edits, and have yet to find a suitable replacement. Other apps either have too few features (e.g. Preview) or too many (GIMP), or the interface doesn't feel right. It might just be because I'm used to it after using it for years when I was younger, but MSPaint's interface just makes sense, and it hits the sweet spot of features f…

Pinta is a good alt for Linux.

Too bad it is built on mono. I'd have to install ~200MB of dependencies for a 2.5MB application.

Re: JS Paint – A web-based MS Paint remake

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Post by placebo »

Pamar wrote: post #223
placebo wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have IrfanView on Mac (via Wine project) and it works flawlessly. However, if you don't want to install Wine on your OSX, there are other alternatives, some mentioned here already. Personally, I like xnview - its free and probably includes everything you'd want (and supports making a negative image)

I solved my needs with https://www.xnview.com/en/xnviewmp/ and http://projects.apricus.be/en/xnconvert/ (looks like "negative" is not available in xnview, or I was unable to find it at least). Thanks!

When you double click one of the images displayed in xnviewmp the image opens in a window and then under the 'Image' menu item, there is a submenu named 'Map'. Selecting the Map submenu opens a list of functions that can be performed on the image, and one of them is 'Negative'.

Re: JS Paint – A web-based MS Paint remake

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Post by z3t4 »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #200
z3t4 wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Software will always fill up the capacity of the hardware. For me the brush tool is very smooth (running Chromium browser on a 5 year old gaming/dev rig).

The problem is that most software of today doesn't do much more than software of a decade+ ago. The capacity of hardware is filled with boilerplate, abstraction layers and an occasional UI animation sprinkled on top, instead of more powerful solutions to more difficult problems.

See for example the history of Photoshop and games! When making software you don't optimize more then needed. It just have to be fast enough. But where performance is a selling point, things have actually gotten faster, for example JavaScript engines. And compilers can probably compile a 20 years old program and make the binary more optimized then it was before.

Re: JS Paint – A web-based MS Paint remake

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Post by [deleted] »

barbs wrote: post #5

I haven't used Windows as a primary OS for years. I miss having MSPaint around for small edits, and have yet to find a suitable replacement. Other apps either have too few features (e.g. Preview) or too many (GIMP), or the interface doesn't feel right. It might just be because I'm used to it after using it for years when I was younger, but MSPaint's interface just makes sense, and it hits the sweet spot of features f…

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Re: JS Paint – A web-based MS Paint remake

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Post by bwbw223 »

badsectoracula wrote: post #36
barbs wrote: post #5

I haven't used Windows as a primary OS for years. I miss having MSPaint around for small edits, and have yet to find a suitable replacement. Other apps either have too few features (e.g. Preview) or too many (GIMP), or the interface doesn't feel right. It might just be because I'm used to it after using it for years when I was younger, but MSPaint's interface just makes sense, and it hits the sweet spot of features f…

> and have yet to find a suitable replacement There are a few, Kolourpaint is pretty much an MSPaint clone for KDE [1] and Paintbrush is the macOS equivalent [2]. There is also Gnome Paint [3], but hasn't seen any update in years. I suppose the closest would be Pinta [4], although that is slightly above MS Paint on the complexity level (probably more comparable to Paint.NET than MS Paint). > I'm not sure how I feel a…

I can imagine that updates aren't really necessary in a simple image editor ;)
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