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Bill and Melinda Gates Are Paying Off Nigeria's $76M Debt to Japan

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Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Are Paying Off Nigeria's $76M Debt to Japan

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The problem here is that the Nigerian Government don't see this as a priority. I was just in Nigeria a month ago, the government just allocated $1 billion to fight Boko Haram, the terrorist group that has already been defeated in Nigeria and chased out to other neighboring countries. The gist is that corrupt politicians in the Senate want to quietly siphon that $1 Billion into their foreign bank accounts.

The embarrassing thing is not that the government can't pay back the loan, its that they won't make something like this a priority. Politicians are too busy looting the government funds and enriching their family & friends.

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Are Paying Off Nigeria's $76M Debt to Japan

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Has any consumer ever asked for GM crops?

Of course. They're cheaper. Consumers love cheaper goods. Personally, I'm very much in favor of GMOs and think it's a shame that so many countries overregulate them so much. There's no evidence of that the crops themselves have caused any harm whatsoever to human health or the environment. Now, may not be the case for the chemical pesticides and herbicides often used with them, but that just means we should regulate…

Given a choice of organic vs GM I never heard anyone preferring GM so far. To me it seems all these benefits are somehow always for others to capture.

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Are Paying Off Nigeria's $76M Debt to Japan

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> It's very easy to give something you have an abundance of. I don't see how his good is better than other rich peoples, just because we know about it? Because it's front page news? That makes it "good"? Tell that to the Kochs/Mercers/etc of the world. I doubt that Gates puts much effort into publicizing their current work. It's front page news because they're doing it. > Do you know if he is getting a kick back from…

>Tell that to the Kochs/Mercers/etc of the world. I am not comparing anyone to anyone, I am asking a simple question, that I think can be extrapolated to all news of this sort. Why do we assume certain news stories to be true/false? If we line up all the news stories that show contradicting ideologies like flat/round earth, holocaust denial, climate change, etc... we'd likely get results of support based on belief in…

> I am not comparing anyone to anyone, I am asking a simple question, that I think can be extrapolated to all news of this sort.

You were literally comparing in the line I replied to.

> Why do we assume certain news stories to be true/false?

Because that's how we build our world model.

I would venture a guess and say that what you claim to "know for a fact" in life is to 99% things that you yourself have not verified. That is not to say that you are incorrect, but merely that we build up a reasonability ranking based on trusted networks, authority, plausibility, etc. We decide - not what is true - but what is probable enough to work with, as a world model, as a basis for discussion, as frames of reference.

Bill Gates the last decade tries to cure polio, that's his thing. Now there's a story about him and his wife using their money to pay off a debt related to polio, of a sum a fraction of the amount their charity uses annually to fight polio.

You are free to not believe it, but there is no reason not to. There are no conflicting reports.

> All it takes is a tiny bit of research to show that almost all diseases are cured (massively in society) by clean water, nutrition and clean living conditions. But Gates isn't doing that, he's supporting vaccines.

> Now this changes the argument from "do we believe Gates is altruistic?" into a vaccine debate. See the problem?

No, I don't. Getting clean water, nutrition and living conditions set up for millions upon millions of people is both vastly more expensive, but also ridiculously more time consuming, while vaccines are cheap and fast. On top of that, the prior doesn't negate the need for vaccines, so then we're still back to square one.

In short: They're trying to do the most within the budget to reach a pre-defined goal.

You are employing the Copenhagen Intepretation of ethics to ask why they're not doing Y instead of X, when that wasn't the scoped target.

We can illustrate this differently, just give me a random link from news you read daily, and we'll replicate the questioning to see the effects.

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>Tell that to the Kochs/Mercers/etc of the world. I am not comparing anyone to anyone, I am asking a simple question, that I think can be extrapolated to all news of this sort. Why do we assume certain news stories to be true/false? If we line up all the news stories that show contradicting ideologies like flat/round earth, holocaust denial, climate change, etc... we'd likely get results of support based on belief in…

> I am not comparing anyone to anyone, I am asking a simple question, that I think can be extrapolated to all news of this sort. You were literally comparing in the line I replied to. > Why do we assume certain news stories to be true/false? Because that's how we build our world model. I would venture a guess and say that what you claim to "know for a fact" in life is to 99% things that you yourself have not verified…

I can see where this is going. And I want to reset. My motive for my first comment was (though ineloquently stated) that something seems off, and I wanted to ask why everyone else was supportive?

I got my answer, and it seems that it can only be based on gut reactions, some logic or belief in the reporting from other news stories and the Gates Foundation website. (did I miss something?)

But if we treated computer security with the same level of trust, every computer in the world would have a virus or a backdoor... but I guess we have found out the truth about that as well.

I really don't expect us to be able to successfully debate this, I think if I were to think through this more thoroughly, I wouldn't have posted my first comment.

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