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Post by prewett »

untog wrote: post #214
stcredzero wrote: post #211

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There's no room for revolution in smartphone space anymore. The market is too competitive and everybody is tracking it too closely. Revolution can take place in overlooked product categories What about in overlooked user interface technologies? I think FaceID would be great for unlocking the a MacBook laptop. Also, the face that Apple can now get ahold of those sensors for cheap and at scale probably opens up the opp…

> I think FaceID would be great for unlocking the a MacBook laptop. This is in absolutely no way revolutionary. Not least because some Windows laptops have been able to do it for some time (HP? I forget who did it, but it was awful)

I'm not sure that "been able to do it for some time, but it is awful" counts as being able to do it. Imagine if your MacBook recognized faces correctly 100% of the time, and would automatically login to your account, your wife's account, or your kid's limited accounts depending on who it was that opened the lid. I don't know if that's revolutionary, but it sure would be easy to use.

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Post by rz2k »

jpalomaki wrote: post #192
jack6e wrote: post #131

Even though the overall tone of this review was upbeat and positive, it seemed that the baseline conclusion was: "hopefully we find a use for the minor iterative improvements that will make this more than just the next release in a series of underwhelming releases." For one of the first, selectively-chosen reviews of what is supposed to be a ground-breaking product, the article essentially told us 1) the pictures loo…

There's no room for revolution in smartphone space anymore. The market is too competitive and everybody is tracking it too closely. Revolution can take place in overlooked product categories (think tablets when iPad was introduced - I'd claim that was true revolution since it took significant time for the competitors to really catch up with Apple). On one hand this is pretty sad. There's no wow factor, no truly excit…

The next revolution could be in software that is only possible with the power available in the iPhone X, that will be mainstream for other phones in a couple years.

I had an app called Vindigo on a Handspring Visor and later a Kyocera 6035 in the early 2000s that gave the location and mapped pretty much every restaurant, bar, and museum in New York long before maps were an obvious part of your phone.

I think the possibilities of AR are amazing, even though I don't think whatever the killer will be has been released yet.

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Post by johnbellone »

jack6e wrote: post #109
Shivetya wrote: post #98

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however the touch id does not require you to look at your phone to unlock and unconsciously people will look at an X to unlock it even though it only needs to see you, not the reverse. neither is a good idea but Apple recently pushed out lockouts for Do not disturb while driving. I have not tried this feature and it defaults to off. So how well it works, well it won't stop me from using the phone as it appears to be…

> unconsciously people will look at an X to unlock it even though it only needs to see you, not the reverse. That does not seem to be the case as the reviewer puts it. Even when he was looking at his iPhone X he could not always get it unlocked: "There have been times when, despite a clear view of my face, the iPhone X has ghosted me. (Apple tells me that perhaps I wasn’t making what the iPhone X considers eye contac…

You’re looking at it wrong.

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Post by themihai »

astrodust wrote: post #206
themihai wrote: post #199

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Apparently the OLED display is a 1st generation(older) OLED from Samsung...It really felt to me they made a big deal just like they did with 4K on Apple TV.... same technology like the competition, one year later. The camera on Samsung seems to be better too. The only thing that keeps me on Apple ecosystem is iOS and MacOS...

The camera "seems" better in your subjective opinion, or is better as measured by professionals? In the tests I've seen the iPhone comes out on top in almost all situations vs. the Pixel, as a representative example here of a very good Android camera, with the notable exception of extreme low light conditions.

Well, I don't take photos very often but recently at a campfire I took few shoots(with my Iphone 6s) and for some reasons my photos were rubbish while Samsung (note 7)'s were awesome. There was no question that my beloved iPhone's camera was inferior and I think Samsung's display was better too(i.e. OLED). Now I'm convinced Apple is selling inferior hardware at inflated prices. It's OK though but I don't upgrade that often anymore as I used to do. When they launched the 4K Apple TV and made such a big deal that it supports 4K it was clear to me they have no shame in pushing old stuff or on par with the competition(1 year later) as it's a revolutionary technology.

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Post by BinaryIdiot »

woobar wrote: post #181
robotresearcher wrote: post #153

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Not to use Siri. Not to unlock for my kids in the back to play music.

Siri is activated by side button. Passing a phone to the kids in the back probably more dangerous then glancing at the screen. Don't do it, please.

> Passing a phone to the kids in the back probably more dangerous then glancing at the screen

Hmm, why? Looking at the screen takes your eyes off the road. Passing a phone back allows you to keep your eyes on the road. Why would that be more dangerous?

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Post by unabst »

> “Don’t worry about price, just specify the computer’s abilities,” he told the original team leader. At his first retreat with the Macintosh team, he began by writing a maxim on his whiteboard: “Don’t compromise.”

That's Steve Jobs.

The notch is a compromise. The spec Apple needed was "no notch". Forcing developers to embrace a premature design decision based on a feature that they couldn't make happen is hypocritical at best.

If Jobs had come back to life, we would have been blown away by something from Apple by now. At this point, not sure which is more likely to happen.

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https://hbr.org/2012/04/the-real-leadership-lessons-of-steve...

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Post by caio1982 »

unabst wrote: post #226

> “Don’t worry about price, just specify the computer’s abilities,” he told the original team leader. At his first retreat with the Macintosh team, he began by writing a maxim on his whiteboard: “Don’t compromise.” That's Steve Jobs. The notch is a compromise. The spec Apple needed was "no notch". Forcing developers to embrace a premature design decision based on a feature that they couldn't make happen is hypocritic…

I hope you don’t mind a slightly off-topic comment here: we should really stop using the if-steve-jobs-were-alive card; we don’t do this with other iconic tech people who have died, do we?

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Post by yladiz »

craftyguy wrote: post #218
tobystore wrote: post #151

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>Apple could literally release a phone with zero changes to it over the previous "generation" and billions would still want it. Yes, but not because of the mindless sheep angle you seem to want it to be. Lots of people are comfortable using iPhones and like how they work. They don't want to to switch to something else. The End.

> Yes, but not because of the mindless sheep angle you seem to want it to be How do you explain the iphone x? > Lots of people are comfortable using iPhones and like how they work. They don't want to to switch to something else ok? That's not at all what I was talking about. > The End. Oh please, get over yourself.

> How do you explain the iphone x?

Is this related to the "zero changes to a phone and billions would want it" or "mindless sheep angle"?

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Post by criddell »

craftyguy wrote: post #218
tobystore wrote: post #151

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>Apple could literally release a phone with zero changes to it over the previous "generation" and billions would still want it. Yes, but not because of the mindless sheep angle you seem to want it to be. Lots of people are comfortable using iPhones and like how they work. They don't want to to switch to something else. The End.

> Yes, but not because of the mindless sheep angle you seem to want it to be How do you explain the iphone x? > Lots of people are comfortable using iPhones and like how they work. They don't want to to switch to something else ok? That's not at all what I was talking about. > The End. Oh please, get over yourself.

What is there to explain about the iPhone X? It's the best new phone from Apple. If you keep a phone for two years and use it daily, then the hardware costs around $2 / day so it's affordable.

If that's the ecosystem you are in and want a new phone, then that's a pretty reasonable choice.

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Post by themihai »

dpark wrote: post #202
themihai wrote: post #199

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Apparently the OLED display is a 1st generation(older) OLED from Samsung...It really felt to me they made a big deal just like they did with 4K on Apple TV.... same technology like the competition, one year later. The camera on Samsung seems to be better too. The only thing that keeps me on Apple ecosystem is iOS and MacOS...

Citation? I cannot imagine that my years old Nexus 6 has a more recent display than the new iPhone X.

Check the specs. It's AMOLED vs OLED. Also check the ppi, brightness etc. It was so embarrassing to watch the keynote when Phil was explaining that it took longer to upgrade to OLED because they had to perfect the technology. I guess that's why they haven't upgrade Mac Pro line for so long either...same with Mac Mini and 4K on Apple TV..they are perfecting it... The truth is that the old LCD was cheaper and now after they upgraded to OLED they bumped the price as well.
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