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Or, maybe I've spent more time working on this than you have, and rather than covering a secret agenda that you've somehow managed to suss out in a subthread of less than 100 words of my comments, you've instead jumped to a conclusion that you can't possibly back with evidence.
Maybe! But I have no evidence for that conclusion, either. In fact, I have more evidence for the former conclusion just from reading how you act in this thread!
Analyzing HN moderation and censorship
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#222Article doesn’t mention what I believe is one mod tool: shadow banning accounts based on IP. I had a bunch of accounts get shadowbanned for no evident reason and after a while I deduced it was based on using the account from a particular cafe’s WiFi. I just created this account and if I go use it from that place I will be banned again by some automated process.
At some point I noticed that I never got replies, but didn't think much of it, continued posting. Then, one day I looked at my profile while I was logged out, and surprise - the the posts for the last few months are no longer there.
Like OP, I went through a few accounts. They worked for a bit, and then responses dropped off. Eventually, I realized that apparently, my new apartment's IP is toxic.
Not sure who a shadow ban is supposed to punish since any spam bot can check just as trivially of they're banned. On the other hand, legitimate users have no idea keep wasting their time submitting their comments to /dev/null.
By now I have given up on trying to comment on HN. I can use my time on better things.
Ironic that a the site like HN can't get a proper quoting markup, can't fix the pre-block scroll, took forever to add support for mobile and comment collapsing, and used blanket IP bans...
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Notice how subjective those descriptors are. It's been very clear in the past that moderator intervention is rampant for articles / posts that merely strike a raw nerve.
Yep, they are subjective. That's what I want. I want the HN mods to curate the content based on those guidelines. It's what makes this site worth coming to. I'm willing a optimize for precision over recall here.
Agreed. If you try to make something more prescriptive then you end up with a massive increase in bureaucracy as you try to categorise every kind of content and every type of way of presenting that content. Effectively you turn moderators into lawyers and judges.
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Flat files FTW. Proof that a simple solution can scale. And not just in a "Why the fuck would you subject yourself to this torture?" kind of way, but in a "This actually simplifies everything" way. It's why Arc was so fucking fast: remember how impactful memcached was? Arc had that from day one. Here's how it works. Everything is loaded into memory at startup. You can think of it like a bigass JSON tree. Anytime you…
For what it's worth, the published Arc/HN code is rapidly approaching a full decade out of date.
Jokes aside, I refuse to let Arc die. There were genuinely good ideas embedded in it, amidst the rough edges. People just never forced themselves to use it. It's like if Vim was invented but had no documentation, so no one ever realized it's powerful if you embrace it.
But yeah, I imagine my version will have a different name and a shiny website. Being a decade out of date does matter, especially for hiring purposes.
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Something I find frustrating in discussions like this is a tendency for expressions of gratitude or appreciation to often be dismissed as uncritical, as if the only meaningful act of criticism is that of finding faults or flaws. In such an environment it can be very difficult to express reasons why someone likes something or finds benefit in a way that others read as something other than fawning: particularly when yo…
You're right. I edited the original to be kinder. Thanks.
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HN's cool but it's just one forum among a million others. The moderation is good though sometimes arbitrary. That's a lot easier for users to accept when they know why they are getting positively/negatively moderated, which is a good reason for more openness. But at the end of the day it's a forum, the moderators have the final say, that's the contract you agree to in using it.
If Dan and Scott were kings, they would be fucking epic. Best monarchs ever. It's hard to think of anyone who cares more about fairness, but clever enough to decide for themselves. And they're usually right. I think I can count on one hand the number of mistakes they've made that even remotely mattered. And from a strategic standpoint, that number is effectively zero. There are probably a bunch of people behind the s…
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Well only one at a time. Then as each gets banned I make another one. Note that they get banned if I just visit HN from the IP in question no posting required.
... if all of your nyms get banned, it might be that you are consistently behaving in a way that the moderators don't like. Have you considered, perhaps, changing your behavior?
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I think it's entirely valid for me to present my case and submit it for the consideration of the community and the moderators. I don't understand what you're getting at here, you're not making a very compelling argument for anything in particular.
I think my point is pretty clear. In arguing that CNN's decision not to air your opinions in prime time is legitimate while HN's decision to be selective about what they'll provide a venue for isn't, you've accepted unquestioningly CNN's constraints while dismissing HN's. In both cases, you're applying an enormous amount of subjectivity. But you'd prefer not to acknowledge that, and so have instead attempted to refra…
I'm starting to lose my patience with you. I think you are intentionally being obstuse and I don't appreciate it.
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>How else can you ensure the front page placement for links that you are getting paid (or have an interest in) to promote. You're not supposed to be able to ensure front page placement. Your content is supposed to rise and fall based solely on its merit, as determined by (unpaid and unaffiliated) users and the moderators.
Not when the party wanting to ensure it is YC and HN.
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#230Here are some posts whose flags I consider questionable: Harvey, the Storm That Humans Helped Cause (23 points) ES6 imports syntax considered harmful (12 points) White-Owned Restaurants Shamed for Serving Ethnic Food (33 points) The evidence is piling up – Silicon Valley is being destroyed (27 points) Personally I'm glad all of these posts were flagged.