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Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta

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Post by mtl_usr »

nailer wrote: post #196
delhanty wrote: post #160

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For those considering MS Surface, be aware that, unlike Apple, support is limited to the country that you purchased the device in. See this comment from 2 months ago on HN [1]. Because of that negative point, I'm now considering one of the Ubuntu Dell Precision models and would appreciate any experiences on HN of Dell and international support for business class laptops. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14400…

Author of that comment here. Still being sent back and forth between Microsoft UK and Microsoft US with an occasionally unusable laptop.

Such a good way to attract pro users. The number of Apple store and their world-wide support is one of the reason I see a lot of pro users reluctant to buy something else than a MacBook.

This makes absolutely no sense since the only buyers of Surface products are as of now pretty much only "pro" users.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta

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Post by bshacklett »

jongalloway2 wrote: post #171
m_mueller wrote: post #96

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one thing I'd miss from Apple is service. Being ablr to walk into a store where they can fix simple things immediately is AFAIK unheard of with windows PCs.. maybe with MS Stores, but these are incredibly rare outside the US.

I'm a Microsoft employee, but never tell them that when I go to the local store to get an idea how they treat everyone else. I've returned a few things and been shocked at how good and fast the service is.Basically it's Sorry! Here's a new one! Bye! Disclaimers: Inside the US, Microsoft employee, Nazgûl

I've had excellent experiences at the Microsoft store. In one case, I returned a Surface Pro and they really took the time to listen to why I decided to return it. Now, I don't know if that feedback ever made it outside of the store or not, but I felt like a valued customer, and that means a lot in this day and age.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta

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Post by Spivak »

imran3740 wrote: post #141
aylons wrote: post #103

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I believe you got it inverted. You cannot write on the WSL file system from Windows, but the other way (writing on windows from bash) is ok.

Yes, because Windows doesn't play nice with Linux's permissions.

Which is weird because the Window's NFS server seems to manage it just fine.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta

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Post by Spivak »

vvanders wrote: post #94
hossbeast wrote: post #85

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You are misunderstanding the point of WSL. It's not about writing software with Linux that users will run with Windows. Rather, it's about writing software on Windows that users will run on Linux. The target demographic is developers of Linux server software. A lot of those devs today run macOS

Oh no, I get that. The OP was making the assertion that open source doesn't need win32 portability. That's a huge pain in the ass for those of us who work in things that are tied to win32(graphics, gamedev tools, etc) we happily contribute back but ripping out a working port just seems petty.

Once you turn WSL would the actual user experience of those apps change?

Shouldn't you be happy that WSL will enable F/OSS devs to write cross-platform software much easier by not having to keep two sets of code?

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Post by Spivak »

untog wrote: post #54
43224gg252 wrote: post #44

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Why? The Linux sub-system is the best part of Windows. He's doing them a favor.

Extra dependencies are rarely ever doing anyone a favour. Yet another thing to keep up to date, occupy disk space, memory...

That's a pretty flimsy case when it's bundled with the OS and the performance and memory cost is in their court to improve.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta

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Post by Spivak »

TwoNineFive wrote: post #138
Infernal wrote: post #79

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I think you've fallen victim to Microsoft's somewhat awkward naming scheme - the Windows Subsystem for Linux is the name of the "linux subsystem in windows" that you're referring to. It's not complementary or unrelated, but the same thing.

The fundamental abusiveness of the naming of this product isn't lost on people. Every time I see "Windows services for Linux" I know very well that it's just Microsoft doing what their public manipulation thing. I've actually heard this issue discussed by the Windows admins in my company, without them having first heard my own opinion on the matter. "Why didn't they name it 'Linux services for Windows', or something…

Because they want the first word to be Windows, their brand. They do the same thing with Server for NFS.

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Post by downrightmike »

hsitz wrote: post #118
al452 wrote: post #99

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I kind of agree, but feel a need to point out that the "absurd cash piles" are a byproduct of tax rules, not of (alleged) timidity on the part of Cook et al.

What tax rule are you talking about? The cash in the "absurd pile" has already been taxed as income.

US corp taxes in general

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta

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Post by pvdebbe »

43224gg252 wrote: post #44
vvanders wrote: post #28

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Unless you're going to force your users to install WSL up front(which is a pretty poor first contact) I think you might be better served by keeping it around.

Why? The Linux sub-system is the best part of Windows. He's doing them a favor.

WSL is not always available for corp Windows setups

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta

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Post by Omnius »

As a web developer why would this be useful to me. I know Linux and run it for years and now at this job i am on windows. My stack is usually python flask, postgres, vuejs/react, ...

All of these things run natively on windows is there another advantage to moving to the WSL?

I know there are advantages but specifically for my tool chain is there something i am missing?

TIA

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta

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Post by adrianlmm »

justin--sane wrote: post #203
adrianlmm wrote: post #12

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I do, for Ruby/Sinatra development, it works very good.

What about PostgreSQL? Last time I tried it I had to install it on Windows because of some reason I cannot remember...

I do not use Postgress, I use Firebird SQL and I had no problems installing it in WSL.
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