It's kind of ironic how much he generalises Japanese people. See bad thing - link to Japanese people as a whole or in general, rather than the individual. It's an easy mistake to make. Especially if you do ever hear it in the inverse direction. "Foreigners do X or Y", etc. If he aimed to replace generic instances of 'Japanese people' or 'in Japan' with specific reference to the instance or person, I think he'd have h…
> the fact that they were Japanese in this instance is more related to the fact that they were born and brought up in Japan Those two are the same, if you are born and brought up in Japan then you are Japanese. Similarly if you are born and brought up in America then you are an American even if you happen to look like most people do in Japan. Do you disagree with this? Can immigrants from Japan never become true Amer…
Why I left Japan after 10 years
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#222Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sometimes you can't. More than anything else I wish I could just get on a plane and move to America but I can't because I'm not eligible for any visas. My company tried to relocate me and the immigration lawyer we hired basically said "can't happen, sorry". I did lots of research and I'm nowhere close to ticking enough boxes to do it. I'm currently trying to apply to University, with no idea how I'll afford it, to do…
So you can't go to America. There are probably other decent countries that will accept you. You can start a business in Hungry for 5000 eur and get permanent residency. The question is, is your current place of residence better than any other place that will accept you? If so, where you are probably isn't that bad. If not, you can vote with your feet. Yes, it may be annoying that America won't accept you, but that do…
Thinking about it, I realize this may not the best example to give to why "just leave" doesn't work. You might have an attachment to the culture and few, if any, other countries can tick the same boxes.
For me, there's both push and pull factors so while I could go to another country (e.g. I have family in Australia), and it may help a bit, it wouldn't be what I'm looking for. There's aspects of US culture I struggle to find elsewhere.
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That's not core to me. The litigation system is highly cultural, can be a village assembly before the eldest, a full judiciary system as we have in the West, can be based on Roman law or jurisprudence. Presumption of guilt is just another way.
If you don't consider the presumption of innocence a core human value, what do you?
For the core human values, a good example is the case of a little girl running dangerously near a well, any human except some psychopath will jump on their feet and save her. Here we all share something that can be qualified as universal.
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#224Heh, meanwhile in the West if we do the equivalent were just racists and bigots. Move a bunch of refugees into a small town and see women covered up in a burqa and get upset about it? You're a racist now. Wear tattoos in Asia and get kicked out of a gym? "Oh that's just Asian country X, you have to respect their culture". I can't roll my eyes enough. The people in that Asian country should just accept her for who she…
Japan has a country wide stigma against people who wear tattoos due to it being a primary feature of Yakuza (Japanese Mafia), typically due to a history of them bringing their bad reputation into respectable establishments. Public bath houses and hot springs actively ask people with tattoos to leave because of this. While the younger generation have been getting themselves tattooed more these days, it's still pretty…
Reasons I don't care about. Doesn't matter. Deal with different cultures.
> This is exactly the mentality being discussed in this thread that is so abhorrent. You don't see Japanese people strolling into an American house and telling everyone they should take their shoes off before entering. Why should their society turn a blind eye to foreigners and accept something that is non-trivially a massive taboo in their own country?
Why shouldn't they? Everybody else has to. If a Japanese person owns a house in the U.S. and asks me to take off my shoes, maybe I should ignore that since my culture in my country doesn't do that? No, I'm not an asshole and I respect their culture, even if they want to practice it in my country. Obviously this is a trivial example, but it's not like tattoos representing gang membership/mafia is unique to Japan. Ever been to the U.S. ? Do people get kicked out of gyms here for having tattoos of any kind? People get offended by burqas so should I kick them out of the gym too if I don't like it because I believe it's a symbol of female oppression?
It's a silly double standard you're pulling here and I'll have none of it.
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Can you expand the 'not the greatest country anecdote' ? I am moving to SF soon (from France) and while the US have great opportunities for techies, I find it the 'best country in the world' mantra laughable. (it applies to pretty much any country though .. which norm (in the mathematical sense) are you using exactly ? I don't think there is one and only one.
Such things are to be memorized, not analyzed. Just don't do it, and you'll be fine. Many Americans don't actually think that America is the greatest country is in the world in all regards, but this is simply not a topic for foreigners to discuss. And well, you in France also have your share of quirks. When I am in the US, and my English is less than perfect, everybody is still happy to continue conversation with me,…
Heavily ironic when this applies in the country of freedom.
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#226I have met a lot of other western foreigners who have lived in Japan for a very long time. One of my coworkers is an eastern European guy who has lived in Japan since 1994. He absolutely adores everything about the country and its people. When I compare his perspective to that of this author's, an important point becomes clear in my mind: Being a happy immigrant requires a very deep level of assimilation.
It isn't about learning the language or copying the mannerisms. It is also about adopting the value system. Many of the author's complaints demonstrate a preference for a western European cultural value system. For example, he complains about the lack of hate speech laws, the more authoritarian police, the lack of tolerance of diversity, the lack of gender equality, and so on.
He uses phrases like "more enlightened 21st century countries," and makes a lot of sweeping statements about the Japanese people. It's almost as if he's annoyed that Japanese people are Japanese and not British. Cultures aren't costumes. It's not just different foods and clothing. It's fundamentally different ways of understanding the world. In racially homogeneous societies, it's also about an implicit in-group out-group orientation. You'll feel that everywhere from Japan to Nigeria.
I am an immigrant in Japan. I have made peace with the fact that I am always going to be an outsider. I have made peace with those aspects of their culture I find unpleasant. On balance I think the lifestyle and culture is superior to most other places, so I am content.
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Within a month or so of purchasing a used bicycle in Tokyo, I had been stopped more than 5 times by police. I guess the sight of a foreign guy on the cheapest bike I could find screams police magnet. It was cute at first and I was super polite and it would end quickly, but after a couple that resulted in patdowns, searches, and 20+ minutes answering questions about my presence in the country, I now make an effort to…
I had been wondering whether it was just Tokyo being more cosmopolitan but I'm now wondering if the reason for less adversarial encounters is simply that I haven't purchased a bike since leaving Ogaki. (If this sounds dumbfounding to folks with less context: bicycle theft is near the top of police priorities and they have the impression that foreigners are the primary cause of it. "Suspicion of stealing my own bicycl…
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#228Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you expand the 'not the greatest country anecdote' ? I am moving to SF soon (from France) and while the US have great opportunities for techies, I find it the 'best country in the world' mantra laughable. (it applies to pretty much any country though .. which norm (in the mathematical sense) are you using exactly ? I don't think there is one and only one.
Such things are to be memorized, not analyzed. Just don't do it, and you'll be fine. Many Americans don't actually think that America is the greatest country is in the world in all regards, but this is simply not a topic for foreigners to discuss. And well, you in France also have your share of quirks. When I am in the US, and my English is less than perfect, everybody is still happy to continue conversation with me,…
For any "outsiders" lurking here... discuss it! You'll take a social hit from certain types of people but future generations will thank you.
Having lived in various countries that seem to be able to handle critique quiet okay, it'd be a really pitty to just shy away from it in the US. A boastful bully often needs to hear that they are not the most fantastic person in the world. I mean, good self estime is great but so is some humility, even when it comes from the "outside". Actually it's often the person from the outside that is the only one to see the difference starkly enough.
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#230Earlier quoted context omitted.
Japan has a country wide stigma against people who wear tattoos due to it being a primary feature of Yakuza (Japanese Mafia), typically due to a history of them bringing their bad reputation into respectable establishments. Public bath houses and hot springs actively ask people with tattoos to leave because of this. While the younger generation have been getting themselves tattooed more these days, it's still pretty…
> Japan has a country wide stigma against people who wear tattoos due to Reasons I don't care about. Doesn't matter. Deal with different cultures. > This is exactly the mentality being discussed in this thread that is so abhorrent. You don't see Japanese people strolling into an American house and telling everyone they should take their shoes off before entering. Why should their society turn a blind eye to foreigner…
But you won't respect their culture in their own country? Double standards indeed.
Wearing your tattoo proudly in Japan is perfectly fine. Just be prepared to be asked to leave an establishment that doesn't tolerate them. It's closer to "No shirt, No shoes, No service" policies in the West if anything.