Just to kick off some discussion. Do you guys think that the shift from on-prem to SaaS is indicative of a move towards rent extraction?
Can someone care to enlighten me on how SaaS can qualify as rent extraction? I'm sure there is a lot of fudge, but the US is a "capitalist" society—in that I mean you're not required to continue paying for a SaaS product if you deem it's not worth the money. How is this 'rent extraction'?
Crony capitalism may be cannibalizing productive capitalism in the U.S.
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Re: Crony capitalism may be cannibalizing productive capitalism in the U.S.
#222I think the great problem of our time is that the challenges get easier to solve every day but we mostly spend our time making rent. And not the kind of rent mentioned in the article - just plain old fashioned too-much-month-not-enough-money kind of rent. When we’re desperate, we grovel and do whatever work we need to to survive. This is akin to how researchers spend inordinate amounts of time applying for grants rat…
- There is plenty of free capital in the economy. More than ever really. To the point that the "capital glut" is a regular topic of discussion in economic news. - I don't know how old you are but both Clinton and Obama significantly increased taxes on the rich. Federal tax receipts as a % of GDP are fairly constant going back to WW2. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYFRGDA188S
Re: Crony capitalism may be cannibalizing productive capitalism in the U.S.
#223I think the great problem of our time is that the challenges get easier to solve every day but we mostly spend our time making rent. And not the kind of rent mentioned in the article - just plain old fashioned too-much-month-not-enough-money kind of rent. When we’re desperate, we grovel and do whatever work we need to to survive. This is akin to how researchers spend inordinate amounts of time applying for grants rat…
A lot of that tax money goes to pay interest payments on government bonds which are owned by the rent collector class. The more money the government borrows to pay for health care and such, the more money the rent collectors make. They've effectively hijacked the progressive impulse to create a way for their vast wealth to earn interest. The regular bond markets would never be able to soak up such enormous amounts of…
Re: Crony capitalism may be cannibalizing productive capitalism in the U.S.
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It is not that we are so efficient, but that a priviledged tiny cabal have learned how to push the consequences of their mistakes to the rest of the population. To borrow your example: In agricultural age, if you fucked up harvest your family starves. Today, if you fuck up the housing market, thousand of families end up in bankrupcy, and tens of thousands of small investors loose their savings... but you do not perso…
Wouldn't Robespierre be a better example than Guillotin?
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#225Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is not that we are so efficient, but that a priviledged tiny cabal have learned how to push the consequences of their mistakes to the rest of the population. To borrow your example: In agricultural age, if you fucked up harvest your family starves. Today, if you fuck up the housing market, thousand of families end up in bankrupcy, and tens of thousands of small investors loose their savings... but you do not perso…
I agree with the first two paragraphs but Guillotin is not good example. A better example would be the decision to go to war in Iraq. The people who made that decision didn't have to send their own children and they could enact large tax cuts for themselves in addition at the same time. So they got their war but didn't feel any consequence.
Which is what I expected to hint the the mention of Guillotin: the French Revolution. That did not happend because of social injustice. No human society has ever been 100% fair, -and probably none will, ever,- and most people is able to accept that without making a fuss about it. The problem with the Ancien Regime back then, -which is the same problem with financial elites nowadays,- is that they have become increasingly detached from the realities of their decisions for the rank and file, even to the point of cluelessness.
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Do you have a source where Sanders said the Fed should be eliminated, or was that Swartz? I believe the comment about socialism for the rich -- here is his NYT op-ed on the Fed: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/23/opinion/bernie-sanders-to...
Schwartz said verbatim the Fed should be eliminated. Sanders has said much negative on the Fed, specifically that it's 'socialism for the rich, and rugged individualism for everyone else,' and variations along the lines of 'fix the Fed,' but Schwartz is who said to completely end it.
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#227Earlier quoted context omitted.
A lot of that tax money goes to pay interest payments on government bonds which are owned by the rent collector class. The more money the government borrows to pay for health care and such, the more money the rent collectors make. They've effectively hijacked the progressive impulse to create a way for their vast wealth to earn interest. The regular bond markets would never be able to soak up such enormous amounts of…
> China creates their own debt free money as needed. The U.S government must borrow it. You ever notice how economic pundits have been predicting an economic crash in China for the last 30 years that never seems to come? It's because the government just endlessly bails out the economy in a debt-free way that never sticks the taxpayers with the bill. That's.... not how it works. USA consumers purchase lots of imports…
I didn't say debt free dollars. Of course China can't create dollars. I meant debt-free RMB.
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And why isn't productivity increasing if capital required to develop enhancements is available? And a related question if capital and access to it is at an all time high, then why do we have stagnant economic growth?
That is definitely one of the big mysteries of the modern era. Personally I subscribe to the hypothesis that we're just running out of low-hanging fruit. As humans developed better knowledge of biology, chemistry & physics there were a whole host of relatively easy to invent items from the steam engine, to antibiotics to air travel to the transistor and modern electronics. These were world changing. But now we're mos…
But I also somewhat discount that the rising difficulty level is really why more breakthroughs aren't happening, if that were the case one would see larger and larger accumulations of ventures committing capital and failing (or at least operating). I think the real reason is that not enough capital even tries to attack these problems because they're longer term and difficult to quantify the return. The irony is that I suspect that we get a smaller overall growth by routing capital to mostly knowable investment returns over a larger proportion going to "crazy" non-calculable investments. So, we end up waiting for the die-rolls to match up people like Elon Musk with sufficient fortunes for truly big advancements, and an economic system that mucks around with financial engineering instead of relentlessly and systematically advancing a wide range of real-world applied engineering on big problems.
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They should go to India, or China, or Vietnam, or Nigeria, and, with a straight face, tell people there that we've become stagnant over the last century.
That's actually a very good point. Globalization has been great for developing countries and terrible for developed countries. People from developing countries have a much better life outlook as a result. As a westerner, I am much worse off than my parents were and so my perception of life is very cynical. The lifestyle that I had in my childhood and the idea of life which my parents projected onto me was so much bet…
OK, let's assume you're 30 and your parents were ~30 when they had you. That means your parents spent their 15-30's during the 1970's. What were the 1970's like in the US (yes, I'm assuming you're American)?
Absolute crap.
Post-Vietnam with everyone wondering whether or not the US was done as a superpower. A humiliating withdrawal from a war that killed 50,000 Americans. Stagflation, with inflation in the teens and unemployment 3x what it is today. Want to buy a house? Sign on the dotted line for a 17% mortgage. Oil embargoes/energy crisis and line ups for gasoline. "General Malaise". Serious crime problems in cities and a decaying inner city. Race riots in recent memory. Watergate scandal and a disgraced President who relinquishes office.
I think it's silly to think our parents had it better.