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Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

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Post by BoorishBears »

narrowrail wrote: post #215
BoorishBears wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I had a dollar for every time I saw something either overtly racist or inappropriate, or just plain braindead on the new front page that wouldn’t have shown up before I’d have several. It went from the “front page of (what’s popular on) the internet” to “front page of Reddit”. The only problem is below the surface Reddit has a lot of racist and inappropriate content. That’s why I rarely go anywhere but a few isola…

After you made this comment, a whole discussion[0] ensued regarding this topic. Looking at the front page of Reddit is like refusing to use kill files on usenet or /ignore on IRC "because I want to see what 'they' are saying." The short of it, like many similar platforms from the past, is that Reddit is highly customizable if the user chooses that route (not to mention Reddit Enhancement Suite). [0] https://news.ycom…

Except before they changed the front page it wasn't like that at all.

The fact is "raw" Reddit is nothing to write home about and the previous front page worked around that with default subs.

I have no idea how it makes sense from a user conversion perspective, since new visitors essentially see the crappiest sides of Reddit before they even make an account to then go and learn how to filter it. I know personally if the first time I visited Reddit I saw what I usually see on the front page these days I probably would stay accountless

Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

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Post by [deleted] »

narrowrail wrote: post #215
BoorishBears wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I had a dollar for every time I saw something either overtly racist or inappropriate, or just plain braindead on the new front page that wouldn’t have shown up before I’d have several. It went from the “front page of (what’s popular on) the internet” to “front page of Reddit”. The only problem is below the surface Reddit has a lot of racist and inappropriate content. That’s why I rarely go anywhere but a few isola…

After you made this comment, a whole discussion[0] ensued regarding this topic. Looking at the front page of Reddit is like refusing to use kill files on usenet or /ignore on IRC "because I want to see what 'they' are saying." The short of it, like many similar platforms from the past, is that Reddit is highly customizable if the user chooses that route (not to mention Reddit Enhancement Suite). [0] https://news.ycom…

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Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

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Post by CM30 »

aloisdg wrote: post #26
kevingrahl wrote: post #13

Aaand yet another reddit "alternative" and they all seem to fail or have troubles gaining traction. I can recall voat.co, hubski.com and imzy.com (my favorite so far) and now one more. I'd really like to know why devs think they can rival Reddit, it's just too big.

I would like a decentralized Reddit.

Same here. And with all the hype Mastodon and GNU Social inspired Twitter alternatives are getting now, I'm surprised no one's done the same for Reddit yet. Or at least managed to advertise it heavily enough that people have heard of it.

It'd certainly fix a lot of Reddit's issues with censorship (by making it so the subreddit owners act like independent forum owners). Or if it's truly decentralised rather than federated, by not having a single person or team doing the moderation in general. And there'd certainly be no possibility of the system losing CSS support...

Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

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Post by CM30 »

sf_rob wrote: post #147
djsumdog wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Voat has a couple of issues. First, it took in a lot of people from banned subreddits (/r/coontown, fatpeoplehate, etc.) Unlike the great Digg 4.0 to Reddit migration, they didn't a huge chunk of Reddit. They just got the most controversial. Second, It tried to be a full Reddit clone with tons of subverses. Reddit started out with just a few categories and slowly expanded out to user generated subreddits. That has to…

The problem is a "Reddit alternative" will naturally attract the groups that no longer feel at home on Reddit. It seems inevitable that any alternative will be more toxic and/or hyper-moderated.

As will almost any site specifically marketed as an alternative to a major one. You market your site as a freer, more fair alternative to another social site, and yes, you'll likely draw in the people that were hated/seen as controversial on the original. See also a lot of Twitter alternatives (like Gab) if you want other examples.

Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

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Post by cholantesh »

fischersully wrote: post #39
imran3740 wrote: post #9

As with voat.co, who's gonna switch to this? Really the only people who switched over to Voat are the people who felt reddit was restricting their rights by posting controversial/hateful material on reddit. So it tends to be full of /pol-like MRAs/extreme right/alt-right users. Voten seems like it's trying to implement a more democratic system, but who will be pushed into switching over to that?

As you said it yourself, Voat is "full of /pol-like MRAs/extreme right/alt-right". Voten is not trying to do the same. It's just an alternative with a good design, real-time features and basically everything that Reddit and Voat aren't.

>Voten is not trying to do the same.

No, but most people who seek a reddit alternative don't list its design as a grievance. The site will be made by its community, and it's a safe bet to make that Voten's community will not be very different from Voat's.

Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

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Post by cholantesh »

Deimorz wrote: post #191
zzzzz_ wrote: post #16

Reddit is technology wise pretty simple - it's just one step up from a forum. So these guys have re-implemented a forum and added a stack of features that only a bunch of devs could come up with. Markdown support is mentioned twice at the top of the features list! Anyway this is a site by actual guys that used to work at Reddit so you'd expect them to be pretty smart business orientated chaps right? Well they launch,…

> Anyway this is a site by actual guys that used to work at Reddit so you'd expect them to be pretty smart business orientated chaps right? These aren't ex-reddit employees. The linked article calling them "former Redditors" is pretty misleading, I think it was just trying to say that they used to be users of the site.

How is it misleading? Redditor is a common term for "Reddit user".

Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

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Post by cholantesh »

testertesttest wrote: post #199
castis wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Removing T_D would result in an insane amount of backlash that I'm sure they don't want to put up with. If you have to have a cancer, better to know where it is and keep tabs on it that risk spreading it out.

It's funny how many people here claim to support "the free exchange of ideas" but forget to mention the caveat "only if I like them". It's almost like there's a bunch of gaslighting that makes it okay, regardless of opinion, to modify voting algorithms to promote certain political opinions. FYI this is the behavior the brown shirts exhibited. We're not so far from those times again.

If the ideas in question include abhorrence to free speech and opposing ideas to the point of silencing those that express them, is it still all right? Because T_D has regularly demonstrated that these are some of their core principles.

>FYI this is the behavior the brown shirts exhibited. We're not so far from those times again.

Top-quality Godwinning.

Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

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Post by rprime »

icebraining wrote: post #19
rprime wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume NodeJS is used just as a WebSocket server for their real-time events, doing that in PHP would be a bit uncomfortable.

doing that in PHP would be a bit uncomfortable. Why? PHP works fine as a daemon, there are many servers written in pure PHP, as well as frameworks for "async" programming.

I am not saying that as an attack to PHP (or a defense of NodeJS), I am writing PHP daily, but when it comes to real-time (at least WS systems), PHP would be my last resort, mostly because it lacks any real support for such things, you'll have to force your way in.

I guess we come back to _just because you can doesn't mean you should_. :)

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