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So should model the internet after a victorian society where proeminent women jorunalists could drink tea, play the piano and have a meaningful conversations about marriage?
Yes. Those are the only two possible options.
That fact is, there are no more trolls than before. No really. There aren't. Not even since the time of Socrates, and we all know what happened to him. There are however a lot of people who'd like to silence pesky individuals and organizations who have recently started winning even more pesky debates, such as all those anti-establishment rednecks, patriots, anti-immigrationitsts and right wingers who got Trump into p…
You're conflating "Freedom of speech" with "The right to be listened to" and "The right to have a platform". The government isn't going to hunt these people down because they have expressed Foo views, nor is, for example, Google. Google, YouTube, Facebook, etc. as private companies are allowed to decide what they do and do not want on their platform (Excluding certain illegal materials, of course). When they do this, they are not violating the freedom of speech of the individuals whose views they remove.
EDIT: "anti-establishment rednecks, patriots, anti-immigrationitsts and right wingers who got Trump into power."
Would you really call those people anti-establishment? They voted in favour of the corruption of the political system and the succumbing of the tattered remains of it to the forces of lobbying and large businesses. That certainly doesn't sound "anti-establishment" to me. Usually the term "anti-establishment" is used to refer to people who are opposed to large corporations, rather than the demographic who voted the CEO of several of them into office.
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Yeah, the meaning has shifted. It used to be that if people knew you were trolling, you weren't a good troll. Now a troll is just an asshole on the internet.
Some of the newbies don't understand that "troll" refers to "trolling" as in "fishing troller": evoking the metaphor of casting a net to collect responses like fish. They imagine "troll" as a metaphor invoking the humanoid creature from Scandinavian folklore, which, in the Three Billy Goats Gruff story, is a nasty, unpleasant, violent creature who wants to eat everyone who crosses his bridge: https://en.wikipedia.org…
The internet is as it always was, the only difference is more people, and more importantly more people without technological prowess and forum/bbs/irc experience, are accessing it and moving increasingly larger chunks of their life to the internet. As someone who fell in love with the internet when I was young because nobody knew I was young , it constantly surprises me when people put intimate details online and the…
The majority of people who say "don't feed the trolls" have never been the focus of a trolling campaign, I've found. It is easy to claim this when you aren't under constant violent harassment and scrutiny. It is not fair to expect everyone else to have a "battle-hardened" stoicism when you've probably never experienced such a life. I've never experienced such harassment myself and used to sing the "ignore" mantra too…
My "real" presence is empty of anything except professional presence. LinkedIn, github etc etc. My "real" presence never engages, never debates and is effectively not there except when it engages with the real world via resumes etc.
My actual presence is scattered across the internet in multiple pseudonymous social networks and eagerly discusses topics I am passionate about.
It occasionally attracts harassment etc, but I dont care cause they cannot reach out into my real life and actually harm me.
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The majority of people who say "don't feed the trolls" have never been the focus of a trolling campaign, I've found. It is easy to claim this when you aren't under constant violent harassment and scrutiny. It is not fair to expect everyone else to have a "battle-hardened" stoicism when you've probably never experienced such a life. I've never experienced such harassment myself and used to sing the "ignore" mantra too…
1. 'Trolling' is not harassment. You can harass someone by trolling them incessantly , but harassing people is not 'trolling' them. Don't use them as synonyms. 2. They've never been the focus of a harassment campaign because they're not stupid enough to put their personal details out there on the internet and then be surprised that people will use that to harass them. They also don't feed the trolls in the first plac…
This is a cop-out. You may not need Twitter for your work, but a lot of us do. If I can't use Twitter, I lose an important way to connect to others in my profession (specifically in open source). And I'm an unimportant software developer. What about women in journalism? What about women in entertainment? They need Twitter, and they need it connected to their real-world identity. You might as well tell them "quit walking on the street, or wear a burka, and you won't get harassed or assaulted." It would be the same cop-out. We have police to keep the streets safe. We need Twitter to be safe too.
That fact is, there are no more trolls than before. No really. There aren't. Not even since the time of Socrates, and we all know what happened to him. There are however a lot of people who'd like to silence pesky individuals and organizations who have recently started winning even more pesky debates, such as all those anti-establishment rednecks, patriots, anti-immigrationitsts and right wingers who got Trump into p…
> We absolutely must have democracy and freedom of speech. You're conflating "Freedom of speech" with "The right to be listened to" and "The right to have a platform". The government isn't going to hunt these people down because they have expressed Foo views, nor is, for example, Google. Google, YouTube, Facebook, etc. as private companies are allowed to decide what they do and do not want on their platform (Excludin…
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The majority of people who say "don't feed the trolls" have never been the focus of a trolling campaign, I've found. It is easy to claim this when you aren't under constant violent harassment and scrutiny. It is not fair to expect everyone else to have a "battle-hardened" stoicism when you've probably never experienced such a life. I've never experienced such harassment myself and used to sing the "ignore" mantra too…
1. 'Trolling' is not harassment. You can harass someone by trolling them incessantly , but harassing people is not 'trolling' them. Don't use them as synonyms. 2. They've never been the focus of a harassment campaign because they're not stupid enough to put their personal details out there on the internet and then be surprised that people will use that to harass them. They also don't feed the trolls in the first plac…
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Just because you don't have cancer doesn't mean cancer isn't a problem.
No one would have cancer in the internet if they didn't visit cancerous sites. You're hitting yourself.
That fact is, there are no more trolls than before. No really. There aren't. Not even since the time of Socrates, and we all know what happened to him. There are however a lot of people who'd like to silence pesky individuals and organizations who have recently started winning even more pesky debates, such as all those anti-establishment rednecks, patriots, anti-immigrationitsts and right wingers who got Trump into p…
> We absolutely must have democracy and freedom of speech. You're conflating "Freedom of speech" with "The right to be listened to" and "The right to have a platform". The government isn't going to hunt these people down because they have expressed Foo views, nor is, for example, Google. Google, YouTube, Facebook, etc. as private companies are allowed to decide what they do and do not want on their platform (Excludin…
Private companies have some property. Their property rights do not supercede human rights.
Then, another solution would be to dismantle the oligarchic model of economic management and provide the mass of people with the property rights of the platforms of their own free speech. But I suspect that our society isn't ready for anything that radical and must in the meantime merely hold private property accountable for its partnership with government to circumvent sovereignty restrictions.
When you define anyone who does not agree with you as a Troll that phrase kind of gets meaningless. I meet regularly main stream journalists who complain about Trolls winning on internet but talking longer makes me realize that these people actually hate the fact that their "card carrying journalism" is actually made totally worthless by ordinary individuals on street writing a blog from their bedroom. I am from Indi…