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New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by nommm-nommm »

chongli wrote: post #190
colanderman wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's adversarial thinking. If the man and woman are in a trusting relationship, the question changes from one of "power" to responsibility. Today, most reversible contraceptive methods (pill, rhythm, IUD, abortion) rely on the woman owning responsibility (one which they may be unwilling or unable to carry out). Male contraception relieves women of that burden.

Male contraception relieves women of that burden You would think so, but... there are women (maybe a lot of them) who think the loss of power over conception would be bad for women [0]. Read the column. I don't know about you, but it gives me a very queasy feeling. Like there is some subtext that this woman believes she should be able to force parenthood on an unwilling partner. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/commen…

Contraception isn't a zero sum game. Giving men more contraceptive power doesn't take anything away from women.

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Post by WA »

This is big. This is the future of contraception, because it works, it's incredibly cheap, it has (almost?) no side effects. All current solutions are a joke.

Hormone-based contraception feels like something from the middle ages. It has serious side effects, it has "harmless" side effects that aren't even related to the pill anymore after years of intake, but still an annoyance (migraine, headaches, yeast infections, high blood pressure, ...)

Non-hormonal contraception has its own negative aspects:

- Copper IUDs can cause a lot of pain, inserting them isn't that easy, they are ethically troublesome (eggs can be fertilized after ovulation, but the copper IUD prevents nidation)

- Natural family planning methods are way safer than many people believe (the sympto-thermal method), but don't allow unprotected sex during fertile days

- Condoms are way safer than many people believe as well (as long as you use the correct size) and won't go away because of STDs, but are a bit annoying in relationships

And there really aren't any other alternatives right now. The state of contraception in 2017 is incredibly sad and RISUG is the first attempt, which truly can disrupt (and I don't use this word lightly) the entire industry.

It will require some social shift. Men must be willing to take responsibility for contraception, but it's already happening: Recently, the pill for men was stopped because of side effects, but the men were disappointed. They WANT to have alternatives to condoms.

Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by nommm-nommm »

Dirlewanger wrote: post #212
SamBam wrote: post #180

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Old urban legend, that is notoriously hard to find any evidence of, and just so happens to nicely dovetail with the "Redpill" ideas about crazy, manipulative women. If you didn't know the man in question, which would you find more likely: that a woman emptied a condom in herself in order to secretly make herself pregnant, in order to claim alimony; or that the couple failed to practice safe sex correctly (either thro…

If you step outside your bubble put your ear to the ground so to speak, you'll find the world isn't so black and white. I have a friend who's a family attorney and I wish he was exaggerating about all the fucked up cases he tells me and his colleagues have. Women pulling every trick in the book in order to have a baby with an unwilling partner (of which include lying about being on birth control, and in one case, dig…

You're making it sound like reproductive coercion is a one sided systemic attack by women against men.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reproductive_coercion

>Around 10% of U.S. men reported ever having an intimate partner who tried to get pregnant when they did not want to or stopped them from using birth control. Around 9% of U.S. women reported having an intimate partner who tried to get them pregnant when they did not want to or refused to use a condom.

Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by WA »

sergior wrote: post #125

This is great. Friend of mine has been tricked by a woman into having a baby and now he has to give away most of his money in form of maintenance. He used a condom, but she emptied it inside her when he was asleep after the sex.

Unlikely. Sperms die rather quickly in plain air (read: not inside a vagina). Even in a vagina, they die quickly if the cervical mucus isn't perfect (because of the acidic pH environment of the vagina) – and it's only perfect a few days before/on ovulation day.

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Post by Tharre »

and0 wrote: post #120
nvahalik wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right. Society has not collapsed. It's just been turned inside out. Instead of collapse we have: * Children with "two dads" or "two moms" rather than a nuclear family. * Children with three genetic parents. * A society where personal autonomy is regarded as the ultimate end. * Laws (such as the Title IX debacle) that are self-contradictory. * A legal system where what feels good is valued above the letter of t…

There are valid points to be made about HN being a bit of a bubble but I'm pretty comfortable pointing out that this is a forum for intellectual honesty and you're really showing none of that. These are tired arguments (ramblings really), to the point where I'm almost convinced you're trolling.

I don't agree with nvahalik in the slightest, but I can't see any signs of intellectual dishonesty, or trolling, either.

Unless you can make a case that your values are objectively more correct than his, you two are just holding two different sets of values. Of course society has to deal with lot's of different sets of values of lots of people, but we have democracy to accommodate for that. Simply calling people trolls for having different opinions helps nobody.

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Post by jwdunne »

WA wrote: post #222

This is big. This is the future of contraception, because it works, it's incredibly cheap, it has (almost?) no side effects. All current solutions are a joke. Hormone-based contraception feels like something from the middle ages. It has serious side effects, it has "harmless" side effects that aren't even related to the pill anymore after years of intake, but still an annoyance (migraine, headaches, yeast infections,…

Bang on.

Me and my partner were planning on me getting a vasectomy in a year, when her implant runs out.

We've had to bring that forward a year because one side effect is also a symptom of cancer or polyps.

After removal, she experienced a huge lift in energy levels and greater stability of mood.

I have 2 children so a vasectomy isn't so bad an idea. Even still, it is an invasive and permanent treatment and I'd prefer something less so. Nobody likes the thought of a scalpel down there. Even a physician who wants to get it done.

Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by anothercomment »

LeftTriangle wrote: post #210
anothercomment wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about combining it with freezing some sperm, just in case. Too expensive perhaps?

Freezing sperm costs on the order of $200-400 per year depending on how far you pay in advance. Worth paying if you're getting a vasectomy, but probably not worth it for this kind of (hopefully) temporary BC.

What makes it so expensive?

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Post by user5994461 »

tw04 wrote: post #209
kyriakos wrote: post #193

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Keep in mind that even though unwanted pregnancies could be a problem giving your teenage son this option will also give him the false impression he's immune to STDs which a condom could have prevented.

I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. I can't fathom a parent who would go through the effort of getting their child on birth control, but not having a discussion about STDs and safe sex. "Kids" are going to have sex, we should take every opportunity to provide them with a means to do it as safely as possible.

Preventing children AND STDs is a very powerful motivator, usually for both parties involved.

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Post by aianus »

watwut wrote: post #215
patrickg_zill wrote: post #159

There is a lot of social commentary on this thread. Unanswered however is, "How will this affect relationships between men and women"? The "MGTOW" crowd laud this development, arguing that once control of fertility is in the hands of men rather than women (a woman can always "forget" to take the pill)... something good, as they define it, will happen. (IANAMGTOW - I am not a MGTOW) In terms of total fertility rate, w…

Condoms exist and men who don't want children already use them. So, I don't think it is going to change all that much.

You've never heard of people relying on withdrawal? It was still pretty popular when I was in college three years ago, usually when the woman got nasty side effects from hormonal BC.

Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by Psilidae »

nailer wrote: post #41

I can imagine the early adopters: male actors, athletes and other men of high social value as a way to enjoy sex without the chance of unwanted offspring.

Or, just normal people who don't want to have a kid before they're ready? I'm 24 and plan on getting this pretty much as soon as it's available in the US. What's so hard to believe about an average guy wanting this, who isn't part of the stereotypical "cool kid" clique?
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