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Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by ceejayoz »

X-Istence wrote: post #212
james_pm wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. Happens all the time and then people say, "You never showed up." The authuser=1 tip is great. Thanks for sharing that!

At the bottom, in tiny font, there is a "change account" link that gives you the ability to switch that call to a different Google account. It's tiny, you might have missed it...

Sure, but it's silly that it's required, and the "no one here" is hugely misleading.

Google knows which accounts I'm logged in as. They know which accounts have access to the meeting. If I'm logged in as one of these accounts, why not do it automatically for me?

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Post by kilroy123 »

plg wrote: post #122

I'm really not being a troll here, I'm just confused: Google Talk : what is that? Is that the little box on the left hand side of the page on gmail that lets you chat with other gmail users? Google Hangouts : different? I know it's videochat but it also has text ... a different thing? The Android/Google phone chat app thingy --- is this different still? obviously I'm not a regular google user at least not of these se…

We all don't know. They have confused everyone with their messaging apps.

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Post by b3Ak32x »

zeveb wrote: post #79
pmilot wrote: post #19

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Welcome to The Cloud, where you basically void all rights for long-term support of any product.

The GNU Manifesto[†] has never been more relevant. [†] https://www.gnu.org/gnu/manifesto.en.html

Yet they don't have the courage to move the GNU stack to the AGPL.

Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by scrollaway »

MaxLeiter wrote: post #193
scrollaway wrote: post #27

Here's what I don't get about Google. A few years ago, they were one of the only players in the IM game, alongside MSN, AOL IM, ICQ... have you heard about any of these lately? Of course not, they're all dead. Talk was built on top of XMPP, an open protocol, which helped its popularity as third party clients could connect to it. Talk was also built in to gmail, and at the time that was revolutionary: A fast and light…

Regarding IRC, how do you feel about ircv3 [1]? [1] http://ircv3.org

I have been following it closely but it feels like too little, too late.

IRC is just not the protocol of the future. There's far higher chances for Matrix to become popular or discord to be open sourced.

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Post by pavel_lishin »

LyndsySimon wrote: post #191
LTom wrote: post #145

I’m getting really fed up with Google. Yet another time when they nudge me towards using a service, only to retire it a while later. A separate app for SMS again , just when I’m comfortable with centralizing it in Hangouts. And Allo and Hangouts aren’t compatible, right? Every time I jump on Google’s newest app bandwagon it seems to end up being another ephemeral thing.

This may be a little dramatic, but I feel like I have to say it. Everything is ephemeral. Google's problem is that they don't keep services around long enough nor do they plan a reasonable migration strategy for when they shutter them.

Ephemeral is okay.

But having three (four? I honestly don't know) competing services from a single provider and playing "guess which one's the evil twin" is shitty.

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Post by dom0 »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #168
colordrops wrote: post #146

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I'm not a big fan of legislating technical standards, but in this case I think I could support it. IM has become a fundamental communication mechanism. Imagine how held back society would be if we had 50 different voice standards rather than the singular phone system we have now. IM needs to be forcefully standardized.

Don't we already have GSM and LTE, and who knows what else? And I'm not aware of any legislation for the use of those over others. As far as I know, as long as I have the right to use the frequencies, I could start my own cellular telco that transmits whatever format I want.

> As far as I know, as long as I have the right to use the frequencies, I could start my own cellular telco that transmits whatever format I want.

Point I ("I have the right to use the frequencies") directly depends on point II ("whatever format I want"). When applying for using a certain frequency band, you have to specify usage and purpose, and you can't just change your mind, i.e. you can't apply for GSM frequencies and say you will be running a GSM network, but then run the PavelLishinOverAir protocol.

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

shmerl wrote: post #186
colordrops wrote: post #146

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I'm not a big fan of legislating technical standards, but in this case I think I could support it. IM has become a fundamental communication mechanism. Imagine how held back society would be if we had 50 different voice standards rather than the singular phone system we have now. IM needs to be forcefully standardized.

> I'm not a big fan of legislating technical standards, but in this case I think I could support it I feel another such example is IPv6. It could move much faster if it would have been mandatory already.

China has effectively mandated IPv6, and IPv6 certainly is popular in China (I think all mobile phones in PRC use IPv6, I may be wrong) - but let's not forget that China is promoting IPv6 because APNIC's allocated IPv4 space for China was comically undersized.

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Post by ucaetano »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #168
colordrops wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a big fan of legislating technical standards, but in this case I think I could support it. IM has become a fundamental communication mechanism. Imagine how held back society would be if we had 50 different voice standards rather than the singular phone system we have now. IM needs to be forcefully standardized.

Don't we already have GSM and LTE, and who knows what else? And I'm not aware of any legislation for the use of those over others. As far as I know, as long as I have the right to use the frequencies, I could start my own cellular telco that transmits whatever format I want.

GSM and LTE use public goods (spectrum).

Spectrum is owned by the public, and regulated as spectrum is a limited resource. IP messaging isn't by any practical means a limited resource.

> As far as I know, as long as I have the right to use the frequencies, I could start my own cellular telco that transmits whatever format I want.

No. Spectrum is regulated in terms of what technology you can use, and kind of usage is supported. You can't buy LTE spectrum and broadcast radio on top of it, and vice versa. You can't (in most cases) take 2G spectrum and deploy LTE on top of it.

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Post by kyrra »

shmerl wrote: post #35
scrollaway wrote: post #27

Here's what I don't get about Google. A few years ago, they were one of the only players in the IM game, alongside MSN, AOL IM, ICQ... have you heard about any of these lately? Of course not, they're all dead. Talk was built on top of XMPP, an open protocol, which helped its popularity as third party clients could connect to it. Talk was also built in to gmail, and at the time that was revolutionary: A fast and light…

Not just failed. Google betrayed XMPP. You can blame Eric Schmidt for it. He gave some lame speech about how other instant messaging services aren't playing fair, so Google should also become a walled garden. And that was it. They made Hangouts and stopped caring about federated IM idea. It's a wonder we can send e-mails between many servers. Imagine someone like Eric Schmidt driving it. We'd be stuck with incompatib…

Why Google felt betrayed by Microsoft:

Larry Page commenting about it at I/O 2013: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pmPa_KxsAM&t=2h54m20s

Strategist commenting about it: http://www.ucstrategies.com/unified-communications-strategie...

Microsoft's one-way integration was them not exposing presence and typing notifications to services they federated with (but they were "taking" that data from others).

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Post by eric_the_read »

Daishiman wrote: post #205
pavel_lishin wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't we already have GSM and LTE, and who knows what else? And I'm not aware of any legislation for the use of those over others. As far as I know, as long as I have the right to use the frequencies, I could start my own cellular telco that transmits whatever format I want.

Right, the point is that you don't have the right to use whatever frequencies you want because the usage of the frequency spectrum is highly regulated, and for good reasons.

Basically none of which apply to IM.
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