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SEC Rejects Rule Change for Bitcoin Exchange-Traded Fund [pdf]

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Re: SEC Rejects Rule Change for Bitcoin Exchange-Traded Fund [pdf]

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So you spun a roulette wheel and lost?

he lost even though it landed on the correct color.

No, that was another spin. He also gambled on the timing.

Seriously, who in their right mind takes out an option with such a short life?

Re: SEC Rejects Rule Change for Bitcoin Exchange-Traded Fund [pdf]

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post #196

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While technically nothing changed, the SEC approving an ETF directly tied to bitcoin would have changed how Bitcoin is perceived by a lot of people. > Nothing about the currency actually changed. You can say this about about everything: "while nothing about the pound changed, brexit caused the price to go down."

Brexit had real world impact on how the currency would be used in the future and the strength of the economy of the country that stands behind it. The SEC decision does none of that.

The SEC decision very clearly has real world impact on how Bitcoin will be used in the future.

Re: SEC Rejects Rule Change for Bitcoin Exchange-Traded Fund [pdf]

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post #173
post #89

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It clearly reduces some of the potential future value of Bitcoin, and predictions of future value are baked into the current market price. I guess you could consider that under your definition of "speculative investment bubble," but it really applies to any market price of anything.

The only way it reduces its future potential value is by making it harder to speculate on its future potential value. Nothing about the currency actually changed.

If an official decision from the agency that regulates financial assets for the most powerful economy in the world doesn't count, then when does "something about a currency actually change"?

Re: SEC Rejects Rule Change for Bitcoin Exchange-Traded Fund [pdf]

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Bitcoin just went from a high of 1327.1926 to 995.9575 in the blink of an eye. Wow. From the ruling.... > First, the exchange must have surveillance-sharing agreements with significant markets for trading the underlying commodity or derivatives on that commodity. And second, those markets must be regulated. > Based on the record before it, the Commission believes that the significant markets for bitcoin are unregulat…

I'd say this is just a correction from over bought levels. Even better the correction is based on actual negative news, which is a sign of market strength (vs going down on no substantial news).

Re: SEC Rejects Rule Change for Bitcoin Exchange-Traded Fund [pdf]

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Can't they just file in another country? I mean, it doesn't really matter where it's traded; any decent bank will give you access to at least the LSE and Xetra in addition to the two big American exchanges.

It matters, because the US retirement funds (401k, IRA) can't invest into some other country's ETFs, correct me if I'm wrong.

Australia would be a good place though. Compulsory superannuation

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VXX and UVXY buy and hold contracts in a contango futures market. They are always going to decrease over long time periods. That is their design.

People that don't understand VXX talking about VXX is one of the funniest things on the entire Internet. For some good laughs, take a look at the comments section on this post: https://sixfigureinvesting.com/2013/04/how-does-vxx-work/ A choice quote from elsewhere on the Internet: "Write call spreads, collect $$$ when they expire... this worthless stock is a goldmine!" I have no words.

XIV is the inverse fund, it looks like the real gold mine, rising 9 times in a few years.

Re: SEC Rejects Rule Change for Bitcoin Exchange-Traded Fund [pdf]

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I put a 50x leveraged short contract trade 10 mins before that at BitMex, and just before it plummeted, it quickly went up to 1327 and I got wiped out. So I didn't get to make a huge return!

Consider that your expensive lesson about the dangers of short-selling even when you're absolutely sure the price will go down.

Leverage and position sizing, not short selling. People with the exact opposite trade also got blown out today.

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I am not sure why you put the word currency in quotes. There have also been many state issued currencies that have done similar - see Thai Baht, Argentine Peso, Russian Ruble, Venezuelan Bolivar etc.

Pound sterling...

Woah wait when did the pound lose 25% of its value due to a SEC ruling?

Re: SEC Rejects Rule Change for Bitcoin Exchange-Traded Fund [pdf]

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On 2001-09-11 gasoline tripled, food doubled, and bottled water as much as quadrupled or quintupled in dollar pricing in parts of the US in less than a day. Yes, there were in fact $4/gallon, $5/gallon, and even $8/gallon gasoline and diesel prices posted, many by noon. This also increased the price of everything shipped by truck for a while, too. Prices came off that peak quickly, but took months to years to revert…

That wasn't a swing in the value of the dollar, that was a swing in the value of those goods. The price of a christmas tree drops precipitously the ~9PM on christmas eve every year, that says nothing about the value of a dollar.

Well, to be fair, the value of the dollar is determined by its buying power. If goods widely increased in cost, then the effective value of the dollar has decreased.

Not saying that's what did or didn't happen on 9/11, though.

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function generateBitcoinNewsReaction(oldPrice, newPrice) { if (oldPrice > newPrice) { return "This is good for bitcoin."; } else if (oldPrice

function generateBitcoinSkepticism(oldPrice, newPrice) { if (oldPrice > newPrice) { return "It was a bubble all along."; } else if (oldPrice

   generateBitcoinNewsReaction();
   generateBitcoinSkepticism();
   generateButteryPopcorn();
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