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Men not at work: Why so many men aged 25 to 54 are not working (2016)

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Post by jospoortvliet »

Fantastic_T wrote: post #168
Frondo wrote: post #110

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What I'd do is this: 1) Vote for politicians who are going to create real structural change in society, e.g. Bernie, not just systems maintainers like Hillary, or rich guys who want to rip us off, like the guy who won. (And really work at a local level to enact structural systems changes!) 2) Work to change the cultural baggage around one's value being tied to one's day job. Make it sexy to be a poet, writer, singer,…

>1) Vote for politicians who are going to create real structural change in society, e.g. Bernie Bernie Sanders 2011: American dream more apt to be realized in Venezuela where incomes are more equal https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/must-read/close-the-... Six years later, Venezuelans are facing malnutrition from severe shortages in basic goods. 75 percent of Venezuelan lost 19 pounds in 2016: http://www.upi.com…

Yet this has little to do with socialism but rather with Kleptocracy, which is the same in USA and now coming to the US with this new president.

Pretty much everywhere in the world, lower income inequality is closely correlated with being a nicer place to live in for everyone - like Finland, Sweden, Norway, Netherlands, Germany and so on.

That there are countries where the government, under the ruse of either socialist or libertarian policies, steals from its people has little to do with it.

Re: Men not at work: Why so many men aged 25 to 54 are not working (2016)

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Post by xt00 »

yowlingcat wrote: post #70
xt00 wrote: post #50

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I grew up in a small town with some people like this and I think what you are observing is actually a hindsight view of the situation. The vast majority of the people were unable to get a job for some reason and then moved back home to ya know avoid starving. Then on your second point many of these people did not start out with a bad attitude but end up feeling like they constantly are struggling due to others treati…

I keep wondering about this. It's so obvious that trade schools are a good thing. I have nothing against code academies, but where is the similar kind of shiny kind of get people employed for the sake of society and do social good" for trade schools? Combine that with an income based repayment for tuition and you're cooking with gas.

Yea seriously, coding schools are not gonna happen for many people with not the best education.. I mean I know tons of smart people who don't want to write code even though they could do it. So the trade school thing can be economically explained very simply:

Current situation in 2017: I pay a plumber to fix my pipes $800 for 2 hours of work. Ouch. 1000 other people in my area pay that same amount. $800,000 USD has been transferred from many different people rich or poor to the plumbers.

Future, where we have more plumbers competing for the same job: Job costs $400. 1000 people pay only $400k to get the job done. So the people in that area have $400k more in their pockets to spend on other things. The now greater number of plumbers all make less money than the small number of plumbers that existed before. However, you have maybe 50 plumbers in an area instead of 25. So you have more people who are working a job that keeps them alive and busy and happy and far less likely to be doing drugs and likely they will have kids and get married.

So basically the concept of asking a community to cover the cost of paying for trade schools for more people is I think extremely smart to do. And the people who get cheap education to do these trades generally are going to feel pretty happy about that as well -- like "hey people in my area care about people doing these jobs..., so I'm a valuable person in my community.."

Re: Men not at work: Why so many men aged 25 to 54 are not working (2016)

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaway729 wrote: post #216
pm90 wrote: post #203

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Please don't quote me out of context. "Everything" was not everything in society (out of context), but everything pertaining to the problem of beginning a relationship.

> pertaining to the problem of beginning a relationship Reading your post, it's not obvious that this is what you meant. And in any case, you are still ignoring the woman's perspective. It was entirely too common for women to enter into relationships that they had no real interest in out of social and financial necessity.

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Re: Men not at work: Why so many men aged 25 to 54 are not working (2016)

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Post by foxfaction »

throwaway729 wrote: post #216
pm90 wrote: post #203

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Please don't quote me out of context. "Everything" was not everything in society (out of context), but everything pertaining to the problem of beginning a relationship.

> pertaining to the problem of beginning a relationship Reading your post, it's not obvious that this is what you meant. And in any case, you are still ignoring the woman's perspective. It was entirely too common for women to enter into relationships that they had no real interest in out of social and financial necessity.

Many men are forced in to that exact process in 2017! Except they're simultaneously being told by the women that they're not good enough because they can't get jobs that don't exist. Something women back then didn't have to worry about, despite all their other problems.

Re: Men not at work: Why so many men aged 25 to 54 are not working (2016)

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Post by Naed_force »

RandyRanderson wrote: post #206
Naed_force wrote: post #169

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>Vote for politicians who are going to create real structural change in society, e.g. Bernie, not just systems maintainers like Hillary, or rich guys who want to rip us off, like the guy who won. (And really work at a local level to enact structural systems changes!) Bernie Sanders 2011: American dream more apt to be realized in Venezuela where incomes are more equal https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/must-read/…

It could be that... or the crushing economic sanctions and the low price of oil. I wonder which might have a higher economic impact? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States%E2%80%93Venezuel...

Shortages of the kind Venezuela suffers are a classic consequence of price controls.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shortages_in_Venezuela

Re: Men not at work: Why so many men aged 25 to 54 are not working (2016)

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Post by jack9 »

nodamage wrote: post #120
jack9 wrote: post #45

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It's shocking, just plain shocking, how short people's memories are, in regards to their own governmental details. The manipulations to deflate the unemployment numbers, I was cognizant of in high school, have never stopped. New techniques come up every administration (seemingly every year). It's like how "the tech industry innovation value" is now added to the UDP arbitrarily. Smoke and mirrors. Google "US employed…

59.2% is quite misleading because it includes students and retirees. The next two paragraphs from your own source[1] say: One reason for the difference is that the share of Americans saying they don’t want a job has trended up since the Great Recession: from 31.9% of the working-age population in October 2008 to 34.6% last month (on a non-seasonally adjusted basis). Some of that increase, though, may be due to Baby B…

> 59.2% is quite misleading because it includes students and retirees.

Misleading does imply context, which is used to confuse the issue and has traditionally been used to alter the statistic to meet agendas.

People who aren't looking for work, students, retirees, etc is irrelevant. It's a statistic about who is employed versus not employed as a relative portion. While I don't think there is a canonically sound source anymore, we have had a serious system problem for awhile. When even the curated sources by one agency are more pessimistic than the celebrated federal numbers, it's now a question of how wrong they are, not what they say.

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