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What's Really Warming the World?

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Re: What's Really Warming the World?

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post #216

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First, the scientific evidence for your claims is in one word, JUNK. For proof of the junk status, their predictions have already failed badly. Again, once again, over again, yet again, one more time, this time just for you, in science, when predictions are proven badly wrong, then we junk the science. That's much of why we do look to science for solid answers. As in the graphs in the link I gave, nearly all the mode…

What you call "the graphs in the link I gave" is not the most recent graph from the (denialist) source that you'd like to use, it's from 2013, and since then we have had the warmest year ever recorded (2016). Here's the discussion of the more recent graph from your sources, which your sources used in their 2016 testimony (and that graph still doesn't include the results of 2016 and it's still "cooked"). Note that the…

It may be that we are at significant risk of a big disaster. So, we want to be correct.

For one, we can conclude that there is little or no danger, that we need do nothing, do nothing, be wrong, and have a big disaster.

For another, we can put on big time carbon taxes, cobber the economy for ourselves and our children, but again might be wrong, that is, have clobbered the economy for no good reason.

So we want a good answer.

Finally, just applying my judgment and what I can smell with my nose, I come down on the side that the crucial part of this issue is not science but politics and money.

E.g., today it did finally sink in to me that, with all the different model results in the graph I linked to, at least one of the results had to be close to reality and, thus, an accurate prediction. Luck would have it that the model with the most accurate prediction was the one predicting essentially no change -- whew, that was a close one! A lot of people could have been fooled with that one!

Re: What's Really Warming the World?

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post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you call "the graphs in the link I gave" is not the most recent graph from the (denialist) source that you'd like to use, it's from 2013, and since then we have had the warmest year ever recorded (2016). Here's the discussion of the more recent graph from your sources, which your sources used in their 2016 testimony (and that graph still doesn't include the results of 2016 and it's still "cooked"). Note that the…

It may be that we are at significant risk of a big disaster. So, we want to be correct. For one, we can conclude that there is little or no danger, that we need do nothing, do nothing, be wrong, and have a big disaster. For another, we can put on big time carbon taxes, cobber the economy for ourselves and our children, but again might be wrong, that is, have clobbered the economy for no good reason. So we want a good…

It's fascinating how you ignore all the measurements that don't match your, as you say, "political" view, if you followed the links, that is. Because you can't say then you didn't understand how much are of them disproving your claims, and what they mean, and still claim you earned a Ph.D. Do you really think it's the whole world conspiracy? Because the "political" claim has no sense unless you believe that world consists only of the US of A, it's most of the scientists all around the world. If you simply say that the short-term politics is more important for you than the future of the world, I can at least understand.

Anyway, "the greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O133ppiVnWY

Re: What's Really Warming the World?

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post #149

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What? Just because it's daytime (in the US) right now? In a few hours when it's dark, the temperature will definitely be going down when compared with a baseline of 5 minutes in the past. I don't think you've thought this through...

These aren't "temperatures at a specific point in the planet at a specific instant". Rather temperature averaged globally, the mean temperature of the whole planet.

Ah, I see what you meant now.
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