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Uber Investigating Sexual Harassment Claims by Ex-Employee
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#222Earlier quoted context omitted.
They are definitely not limited to Uber, but I'd also surmise that they're just as prevalent (if not more so) outside of tech/startups in the Bay Area.
> I'd also surmise that they're just as prevalent (if not more so) outside of tech/startups in the Bay Area. I would agree with you that certain industries and areas would have equivalent if not higher prevalence. Investment banking comes to mind.
From experience, retail banking is worse.
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#223Earlier quoted context omitted.
They are definitely not limited to Uber, but I'd also surmise that they're just as prevalent (if not more so) outside of tech/startups in the Bay Area.
> I'd also surmise that they're just as prevalent (if not more so) outside of tech/startups in the Bay Area. I would agree with you that certain industries and areas would have equivalent if not higher prevalence. Investment banking comes to mind.
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#224Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's indeed a lot to hang on upper management, but HR has responsibilities delegated to them for a reason. I'm sure heads will roll, but presumably they've been cruising without an HR reboot for years, so a lot of habits and perspectives are going to be entrenched.
Unfortunately more often that not HR, in my limited experience, does not have these responsibilities delegated to them. This case sounds like either completely inexperienced and untrained HRBPs OR they're being overinfluenced/overrun by management. Possibly both.
I would guess more the former. Execs think it's boring (or worse: a blind spot), consequently don't hire well for the positions, the pretty soon the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.
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#225Earlier quoted context omitted.
But they're all top performers.
What does that even mean at Uber? They burn more money than everyone else?
It sounds like "performance" is Uber code for "political clout".
Sexually-harassing manager who HR is too afraid to discipline meaningfully? High performer.
Manager who illegally threatens an employee to protect his manager? High performer.
Productive engineer who they never found a substantive reason to criticize? Not a high performer.
The ones who made the political maneuvers to garner political power within the organization are the "high performers". Fowler, on the other hand, worked hard, but didn't play the political game. She also reported a lot of people to HR, which probably earned her a lot of political enemies. Remember those "undocumented performance problems"?
(But I discount this interpretation a tiny bit because it relies on a person's account of their own performance. I think that her post is credible (she sure staked a lot on it), but I'm wary of all first-person performance claims. Nothing specific to her, just human nature.)
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#226Earlier quoted context omitted.
Their experiences, anecdotes, complaints and feelings of personal safety are meaningless?
No, but it is irrelevant to what is being discussed.
Earlier you thought I was insisting women would be offended by something, and you’ve since stated that if I wasn’t insisting that, my “argument” was meaningless. What did you think we were discussing?
Did you think that if women were offended, that would have been an argument for pitchforking? Were you saying I hadn't provided enough evidence women were offended? You haven't really said what you think is missing here, or even what you think I was getting at. Could you let me know what you think some relevant points would be? Is there any evidence that would persuade you of whatever it is you think we're arguing about?
I think I've addressed or asked questions about as many of your straightforward (if a little emotional) statements as I can.
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#227Earlier quoted context omitted.
That article doesn't support anything about her being a pariah.
Anecdotally, I can confirm that most mentions of her on Reddit that I've seen are very pejorative toward her.
I thought that was because the closed the subreddits focused on harassment. e.g. r/FatPeopleHate. Talking shit about her law suit was just a wedge issue to get under her skin by people predisposed to abusing others.
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#228Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, but it is irrelevant to what is being discussed.
Earlier you thought I was insisting women would be offended by something, and you’ve since stated that if I wasn’t insisting that, my “argument” was meaningless. What did you think we were discussing? Did you think that if women were offended, that would have been an argument for pitchforking? Were you saying I hadn't provided enough evidence women were offended? You haven't really said what you think is missing here…
Yes, when you said women might be offended by the statement that pitchforking is bad, that was clearly a criticism of the statement that pitchforking is bad. That criticism is nonsense, and you supplied no actual logic or evidence of an issue with that statement. I don't see why this is difficult to understand. Your response to someone advocating against pitchforking was clearly hostile.
Re: Uber Investigating Sexual Harassment Claims by Ex-Employee
#229Let there be a lesson, always use a prostitute. If you want kids, rent a womb.
I hope you don't "use" one. Sex workers deserve better.
Re: Uber Investigating Sexual Harassment Claims by Ex-Employee
#230One thing that every employee needs to understand is that HR is not your friend. No matter how friendly or helpful they seem, their job is not to protect you. It's to protect the company.
That's a very American thing to say.