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The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

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Re: The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

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IMHO javascript should never have been allowed in the address bar or even inline in an href. The first time I learned about this feature of a browser, I was thinking 'security defect'.

It's not Javascript, it's a data URI that renders an HTML page.

which contains JavaScript

Re: The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

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It's actually the other way round, the YubiKey (or other U2F token) has an API the browser queries, generally triggering the token requesting some sort of physical interaction.

I know how it is now , but that's not what I'm talking about. Currently the URL is not included in the hash, that's my point. It could be by having those two talk to each other. Who's the server and who's the client is beside my point.

Huh? What are you even talking about? This comment makes no sense to me in the context of what jon-wood said.

> the URL is not included in the hash

What hash? Nobody even mentioned a hash. The crypto keys used for U2F are indeed domain-specific, if that's what you're trying to ask.

> It could be by having those two talk to each other.

Who's "those two"? And what's "it"? I'm very confused.

Re: The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but that embedded image (pretending to be an attachment) redirects you to a (fake) Gmail login page. How is that supposed to trick anyone? I mean, isn't it unusual (i.e. never happens) for attachments to take you to a Gmail login page? So that's suspicious behaviour right there. How is it a serious phishing attack that's getting so much attention on a platform like HN where people are used to…

Part of why we're impressed (and dismayed) is that they use a data URL to look like "accounts.google.com" and to load a remote script out of sight to the right of all the spaces. Maybe the URL protocol didn't fool you, but I think there are a good number of users out there who have been "trained" to check the URL to see that it says "accounts.google.com" and think it's fine. And while clicking on an attachment should…

So how is this any different from using a URL like `accounts.google.com.googlelogin.cz` instead? I mean, yes obviously using a `data:` URL is certainly creative, but is it really any more effective?

Re: The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

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My rule for gmail... I type gmail.com then log in. That's the only path I take to log in. I never click a link and log in, etc. really I do this for most sites I use.

What do you do for "Sign in with your Google Account" situations?

Re: The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

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Sysadmin at a school: we use GMail for our students and faculty, and we got hit by this hard right before the holiday break. Three employees and a handful of students all got hit by the attack within a two hour period. It's the most sophisticated attack I've seen. The attackers log in to your account immediately once they get the credentials, and they use one of your actual attachments, along with one of your actual…

Requiring 2-factor auth would prevent this from being exploitable, right? Probably impossible in a school environment but in an enterprise situation, more palatable perhaps.

U2F would prevent this from being exploitable, but one-time password schemes like TOTP would not.

Re: The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

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My rule for gmail... I type gmail.com then log in. That's the only path I take to log in. I never click a link and log in, etc. really I do this for most sites I use.

What do you do for "Sign in with your Google Account" situations?

I personally never sign in with a google (or any other) account, I always sign up for new accounts with my email.

Re: The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

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post #163

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> 3. Kill re-authentications dead. Then I would forget my password, like I always forget my github password and have to reset it every leap year when i log out for some reason, but i guess that's a small price to pay.

you should invest in a password manager (i use keepass)

I have. I use 1Password for about a year now. But I didn't log out (hence log in) of github since I installed it and as a result it (1password) doesn't know my github password. And frankly nor do I. So my point is valid, at least until next time I have to relogin.

Case in point: I also use Authy with backup, but I don't store my backup password in the password manager, because that would be a potential single point of security failure. The app kindly asks for a backup password occasionally. It's not for access, but for reminder. In fact if I don't remember my password, I can reset it right there in the app. I find that feature very useful.

Re: The closest I've ever come to falling for a Gmail phishing attack

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post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Requiring 2-factor auth would prevent this from being exploitable, right? Probably impossible in a school environment but in an enterprise situation, more palatable perhaps.

U2F would prevent this from being exploitable, but one-time password schemes like TOTP would not.

Why would TOTP not suffice to prevent this exploit ?
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