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Weirdly from your list software developers are the only ones the New MBP can serve. It's got plenty of power to run XCode or a web dev environment. Engineers, CAD, musicians, 3D artists all need more power than it provides and increasingly need CUDA cores.
Why do you assume that software developers don't need more power and/or CUDA cores, too? Development does not only consist of web development.
This is nice of course, but without C++ support it has very little appeal to me. I don't want to learn C# to write iOS apps. I might learn it just for fun, but I will continue writing the iOS apps with Swift/Objective-C and C++. C++ support is the weak spot of Xcode and so far I haven't found a suitable IDE for C++, except maybe Qt Creator and several IntelliJ-based IDEs, which are ok but not on par with Visual Studi…
Why don't you want to learn c# for iOS / Android development?
I also like Swift a lot. It's a modern language with lots of powerful features and also very practical.
My current project involves a lot of context switching between Swift, C++ and Objective-C++ and I miss a lot of Swift's features in C++.. For some obscure reason I also enjoy Objective-C++ quite a bit, it's a weird mixture of insanity but it feels good ;).
I don't know a lot about C#, I think it must be a good language, albeit older with more historical baggage, but even so I wouldn't use it instead of Swift for iOS development.
I mean, why ?
For Android development - maybe - I'm not too fond of Java, but on iOS/Mac - I will stick with Swift thank you.
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> If you are a pro mainly using the Mac for professional work... This is extremely dishonest assessment that only 'Developers' do professional work. Mac is used by Engineers, CAD/CAM, designers, illustrators, artists, musicians, etc and to reduce it only to developers is disingenuous. I for one is happy with the new Mac and there are several people who've found it great for 'pro' use.
Weirdly from your list software developers are the only ones the New MBP can serve. It's got plenty of power to run XCode or a web dev environment. Engineers, CAD, musicians, 3D artists all need more power than it provides and increasingly need CUDA cores.
I'm running a Logic set up on my 2012 MBP, and I've never felt limited by its capabilities. I've been running Macs for music production for almost 20 years, and in my experience they have all at some point not had quite enough in the bag to let me do what I wanted of them. This is the first one (now fours years old) that has stayed ahead of my needs. I can run multiple copies of Massive, and rows of Waves plugins no problem.
I have hit limits with real-time 3D stuff, like gaming and Houdini, but music production is still well within its capabilities for me.
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Who are you (or anyone else) to decide what works best for me? Am I not capable of making my own decisions? Do I really need a hardware company making those choices for me? Did you not read beyond my first sentence? Who are we as programmers to decide what works best for our users? Were the clerks at the bank not capable of deciding for themselves if their pen and paper workflows worked better for them than the compu…
> Who are we as programmers to decide what works best for our users? Where did I say that? You seem confused. And your argument regarding publishing and banking software is a strawman intended to shift the focus away from the real argument - that of choice. Forcing a change on my workflow can have very real effects on my ability to generate income. Why should anyone be ok with that?
How is that different to any workflow used (and could be preferable) by millions of people that's deprecated due to new software programs?
Not to mention software that entirely kills their job and their ability to generate income from doing it altogether?
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The ram you were using 3 years ago is a lot slower than the ram they have put into the new MacBook pros. So there is that benefit at least. 32 GB is a lot of ram. What do you do where you need that much ram in a laptop? Is that the limiting factor in performance for you versus another component? Have you considered a desktop/tablet combo or anything like that?
To be fair I don't bump up against it daily so this isn't some kind of deal breaker. Just disappointing. Mostly virtualization (server and/or desktop operating systems) but sometimes decent sized datasets (which really aren't too bad from SSD) and occasionally those things combined with software that is... written poorly. I used to use both a desktop and laptop but it was more trouble than it was worth. I might have…
I was really just curious because for the longest time I got by with just 4gb on a MacBook Air until I switched to the MacBook and 8gb. I run VMs and other software on it but never really ran into a RAM issue.
I think there is hope though. They'll put 32gb of ram in eventually. The explanation was that 32 uses too much power, and of course the rebuttal is "stop making it so thin", which I sympathize with. On the other hand, I do like thin and light computers.
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People aren't going to do development on a tablet or a smartphone anytime soon.
Don't speak too soon. "Why would you buy a PC anymore?" - Tim Cook on the iPad Pro launch. Don't be surprised if XCode for iPad Pro is a thing soon. It's becoming clear he sees iPads as the future of computing, it's all he uses personally and developing it's own apps is one of the last things it actually can't do.
Also developers like to you use their own tools. That doesn't fit well with the "you will do as you are told" approach of Apple.
So Microsoft is treating the Mac more seriously as a professional platform while Apple is treating it less seriously? I'm not saying this in a snarky way; I mean it literally as a change of corporate strategies in both companies. Microsoft seems to be saying, If you are a pro mainly using the Mac for professional work, we want to do a better job of empowering you, and Apple seems to be saying, If you are a pro mainly…
Apple is not saying anything like this, just a bunch of whiners twisting things. Just like they did after any Mac upgrade.
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> WRONG. The removal of a dozen keys from an already gimped keyboard is decidedly anti-developer. I am a developer and I could not care less about function keys. Why the duck would developers need function keys? Even for Vim, the age-old advice is to remap Esc so that you keep your hands on the home row. A flexible multi-touch strip of context-aware keys can do much more things -- e.g. map debugger step moves when I'…
You know the touch bar would have been awesome if they added it above the function key list. And used the 2nd function (volume brightness etc) as the default for touch bar. That way the touch bar is useful and functionality of function keys is kept. I would have bought the new mbp if that's what they did. Now I'm going to get a dell :/
Give it a year or two, and most PC laptops will come with a touch bar.
It is based on Xamarin Studio. I work with XS on OSX last 3 years. Unfortunatelly, Xamarin Studio has a lot of issues with performance, refactoring, it crashes from time to time. I think it will be better to wait for release of Project Rider. At least EAP is already available
Waiting for it to bring core support then I'll be trying it
Other project types were added recently and I haven't tried them yet, so I would not like to speculate.
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That article is a typical example of "If it suits me, it must suit everybody." 99.9%+ of criticism of the new MBP has been of the form "Without ever interacting with one, I can tell it is unsuitable for me and therefore is unsuitable for anyone, anywhere, in any professional purpose, ever". no-true-Scotsman-fallacy of "Noone who _really_ used it dislikes it." More like "people are pre-emptively concluding, without ev…
I don't care about the touch bar and while I'm miffed about the magsafe I can deal with shelling out extra for accidental damage insurance. Personally my disappointment is with the specs which no time with the machine will change. The mac I'm currently using was purchased 3 years with 16GB of RAM and if I replace it I will be stuck with the same capacity. I imagine there are a lot of "Pro" market segments that are we…
Comparing them side by side is a very strange experience. _Technically_ it should be slower but it doesn't "feel" slower. However, at times, there is a bit of shutter that I can't put my finger on - am I just looking for an excuse to say its slow or was the loading time on opening this project always so slow?
In the end, I believe the 8GB variant is suitable for most folks while I myself will upgrade the the 16GB version. However, I've opened up plenty of large projects on the new laptop and have tested speed comparison of every day tasks: transcoding videos, opening million (maybe an over exaggeration) row excel docs and web dev work with 2 VMs running. Overall, performance is fairly up to par with my old machine.
All of that being said, I do believe the machine is a touch expensive. I ordered mine from Amazon when they had some ridiculous pricing and won out so I don't feel bad offloading on craigslist to get the 16GB version.