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Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by pdkl95 »

overgard wrote: post #26
_pius wrote: post #2

Meanwhile, Trump's already got an RFS in waiting: http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-says-he-... https://www.ycombinator.com/rfs/ The longer YC waits to do the right thing on this, the worse it will get.

"The right thing". Tolerance means recognizing that people have different world views than your own. Sometimes the people you do business with have political opinions you don't agree with. The melodrama over Thiel's political opinions is pointless. If you demand Thiel steps down, are you personally just going to stop doing business with 49% of the country that voted differently? Personally I lean liberal, but I'm pre…

> people you do business with have political opinions you don't agree with

Yes, they do. However, opinions and material support are different things.

> are you personally just going to stop doing business with 49% of the country that voted differently?

Expressing your opinion with a vote and funding a campaign with >$1M are not anywhere close to equivalent.

> half the country felt ostracized and decided to lob a brick through the window of washington

That's exactly what happened, as expected[1]. Unfortunately, most people were more interested in playing political games or blaming their favorite scapegoat.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzl4B3mrKQE

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by leesalminen »

user837387 wrote: post #105
toomuchtodo wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clinton and her machine threw the only candidate who could beat Trump under the bus. She deserves her loss, and should apologize to the American people for prioritizing her selfish ambition over the good of the country. Hopefully the Democrats learn about running someone electable before 2018. I have already prepared my donation fund for Bernie Sanders' or Tulsi Gabbard's 2020 presidential race (and I'll not vote aga…

That is your opinion and you are entitled to it but I disagree. Put Hillary in a balance with Trump and by far she is the better candidate. When people are willing to believe in the Father of Lies, even after you show them recorded evidence, they are a lost cause. It is really hard to cure willful ignorance. Hillary has also lied, I admit it, but it is not even on the same league of Trump. The Democrats' fault (and m…

> Up to this point I used to honestly believe that justice always prevailed, some how.

How one could arrive at this opinion after reviewing the entirely of recorded human history is beyond me.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by knucklesandwich »

darawk wrote: post #4

This is good news, I think? Thiel has some extremish views, but I generally regard him as intelligent and thoughtful. And he's in close contact with other smart, influential people (e.g. Musk, Sam Altman, etc.), which gives them some indirect influence. Not that this makes things substantially better. But maybe a little bit? Hopefully?

Yes, the guy who had to be shamed out of attending a libertarian meetup with a heavy white nationalist presence has some extreme views.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by revelation »

grzm wrote: post #213
revelation wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is tolerance and then there are things that are not open to discussion. The line tends to shift as society progresses. Not so long ago it was a perfectly valid opinion that there should be slaves. Try that today. (Incidentally that same level of society would have seen Thiel stoned to death, he is openly gay after all)

How does this work in practice? This is something I've been thinking about and am struggling with. What if people don't agree with you and feel the same way about things not being open to discussion? Compromise? Split off into smaller and smaller groups that agree with each other? Refuse to work together? Shun? Shame? Resort to violence? I'm serious. I don't have a good answer. I think it depends on the issue, but I…

I think in practice you might be Brendan Eich, donate to an anti same-sex marriage PAC, find that your work community does not feel gay marriage should be open to discussion and are out of a job as CEO of Mozilla.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by eropple »

white-flame wrote: post #201
ben0x539 wrote: post #118

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Yeah I'm not saying people with abhorrent opinions don't deserve human rights. That doesn't mean tolerance is all about being cool with your hypothetical Nazi neighbor. I'm pretty sure whoever came up with that declaration would be with me on the part where we aren't cool w/ Nazis.

Tolerance would still mean that if Nazi neighbor needs help with his lawnmower, that you don't have a problem giving him a hand. Don't throw away people's humanity because of one aspect you don't like about them. Even if they're your enemy. Seriously, differences are being treated like kindergarten cooties here. You don't catch Naziism by being civil to your neighbor, and we need civility overall. But here's a proble…

No and never. Tolerance means I don't shoot him for being a Nazi, even if I would like to. I can earnestly hope his lawnmower takes off a hand and that his cholesterol levels are none too good, and I remain tolerant of him. Toleration has nothing to do with being nice, it has to do with a recognition of legal status and human rights. Fuck your hypothetical Nazi and fuck his lawnmower.

What you describe is functionally the tacit endorsement of abhorrent views. Every moment of every day is political; act like it or don't, but you can't change that it is true.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by Turing_Machine »

the_decider wrote: post #55
charia wrote: post #20

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Is this satire?

No. Its a legitimate idea currently making the headway in our community. And if you think its ridiculous, let me ask you...Is the notion of a seperatist, intelligently run Californian sovereign state any less ridiculous than the notion of a Trump Presidency two years ago? We've always been a community of disruptors...well, now's our opportunity to really distrupt. https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/10/calexit-is-silicon-…

Where are you planning to get your water?

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by [deleted] »

cmsmith wrote: post #183

Given the choice between Thiel (favors reconstitution of our political establishment and believes in science and technology) and the rest of the Trump hangers-on (are ambivalent towards reconstitution of the establishment and are anti-science), this is a decent outcome.

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Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by lxmorj »

ktamura wrote: post #209

I still stand by my earlier comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12915345 TL;DR; It's probably a good thing for Silicon Valley, considering the alternative outcome (all other things equal): Trump still winning the election without a single Silicon Valley influencer.

I like the idea that Thiel was just willing to fall on the sword to get inside. It's a hopefully & almost certainly wrong, but hey...
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