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Re: Slack may regret its letter to Microsoft

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No, but from looking at it now that's likely because they've targeted themselves towards more informal (game) voice chat. It actually looks like it could be a good contender in this space if they decided to not only compare themselves to voice chat systems[1] (Skype, Ventrilo, Teamspeak), and didn't specifically market to gamers. That is, assuming the service is good, since I haven't tried it. 1: https://discordapp.c…

I think Discord is on a path to be a suitable replacement for IRC, Slack, and Skype. They still need some polishing, but once they fix some bugs and add good support for history and searching, I think it'll be fantastic.

IMO, the main worrying thing is that Discord is propped up entirely by VC money right now, and there's absolutely no telling how the hell they're going to monetize it. Slack at least has the obvious "pay us money" model, so they can survive on that even with competitors. IRC (decentralized) and Skype (Microsoft, unlimited money) could practically survive nuclear apocalypse, by comparison.

They promise the core features will remain free, but I don't trust that when investors come knocking for a return, and I expect unless they find a very suitable model, it will slowly start to get worse at some point. I seriously doubt their core audience (people playing games) is going to throw money at them for things, like, skins, or something. Maybe they plan on more "B2B" style profitability where they do deep integration with partners like Youtube, Twitch etc behind the scenes?

FWIW: I say this as someone who's extremely happy with Discord since I switched me and my friends over to it for playing games, and as someone who thinks they really do have a solid product. And as someone who'd hate to see it go into the shitter just because of the above. It's wonderfully stable for its youth, and it's light years ahead of Skype, Vent, Mumble in terms of "Just Works", and has every feature we've needed, and more (the moderation/ACL, and external service features keep getting better, for example).

Maybe my only complaint with Discord is that, because it's so feature rich, it's actually a bit confusing to initially wrap your head around, in terms of UI/UX. I had to guide a few of my more non-technical friends through the UI when they first used it. Things like, non-obvious buttons and stuff like that.

Re: Slack may regret its letter to Microsoft

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I'm really weirded out that people can't see the value Slack added. Having your messages stored while you are offline is hugely valuable. If I have been out of signal range on a train, I want to be able to look at history on my phone once I'm back in range of a cell tower. Beyond that, a well made UI for web, desktop and phone that is consistent is valuable. 'Adding a pretty UI' isn't a zero-effort or skill thing. No…

Slack is undoubtedly better than IRC, but so is Flowdock or HipChat and the other players that existed in this space before. Slack's innovation was getting a huge funding round, blowing it on advertising to mainstream non-tech markets and trying to build a competitive moat with 3rd party integrations that other developers are incentivized to make on their own due to Slack's large user base.

I prefer IRC because I can grep the logs. Slack's search is next to useless.

Re: Slack may regret its letter to Microsoft

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Let the IRC wars begin. :) Seriously, I am not sure what to think when a chat company is worth 1 billion. Sure it has nice UI but so does HipChat and a bunch of other tools. For me, Slack is just one of the many communication platforms I used ever since, starting with IRC, ICQ and other apps and protocols from the 90s. I am not particullary fond on Microsoft but they deliver. I cannot forget the initial uproar when they introduced their entering the gaming console industry with Xbox, and look at them now. Slack has to offer a bit more than just a nice UI for async messaging to be relevant in the corporate communication space in the next 5 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant_messaging#History

Re: Slack may regret its letter to Microsoft

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It's funny that Slack thinks they've perfectly balanced a unique and special snowflake on the tip of a unicorn's horn when what they've really done is added a pretty UI to IRC. It's a chat room. With channels. So, sorry to tell you guys, but it's not innovative, it's lucky. We had chat rooms back in 1995. Yes, that scrappy startup Microsoft will not have too much trouble implementing a chat room and they don't need l…

I'm really weirded out that people can't see the value Slack added. Having your messages stored while you are offline is hugely valuable. If I have been out of signal range on a train, I want to be able to look at history on my phone once I'm back in range of a cell tower. Beyond that, a well made UI for web, desktop and phone that is consistent is valuable. 'Adding a pretty UI' isn't a zero-effort or skill thing. No…

>Having your messages stored while you are offline is hugely valuable.

Sure. Nice feature. hardly game-changing or innovative.

Our company is just getting on the Slack train. I'm honestly underwhelmed with the experience. I suppose I expected a lot given the hype and valuation. My main gripe is the lack of UI customization.

Re: Slack may regret its letter to Microsoft

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It's funny that Slack thinks they've perfectly balanced a unique and special snowflake on the tip of a unicorn's horn when what they've really done is added a pretty UI to IRC. It's a chat room. With channels. So, sorry to tell you guys, but it's not innovative, it's lucky. We had chat rooms back in 1995. Yes, that scrappy startup Microsoft will not have too much trouble implementing a chat room and they don't need l…

I'm really weirded out that people can't see the value Slack added. Having your messages stored while you are offline is hugely valuable. If I have been out of signal range on a train, I want to be able to look at history on my phone once I'm back in range of a cell tower. Beyond that, a well made UI for web, desktop and phone that is consistent is valuable. 'Adding a pretty UI' isn't a zero-effort or skill thing. No…

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Re: Slack may regret its letter to Microsoft

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> It's a chat room. With channels. And the iPhone was just a phone with a pretty UI. Slack is winning exactly for the same reason that the iPhone did, and you're misjudging it for the same reason that a lot of people misjudged Apple: It's all about execution. The first iPhone had the same features as previous phones, but those features were executed so much better than the competition. Slack is the same way. It's an…

>The first iPhone had the same features as previous phones The browser was the killer feature. Remember Jobs going to the NYT website?

It just was one of many killer features. Contemporary phones also had web browsers, they just weren't as good, by far.

I remember the awful browser on the Nokia N73 (my last phone before the iPhone), which had a largeish screen and a little joystick to control a mouse pointer, but no touchscreen.

Re: Slack may regret its letter to Microsoft

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It's funny that Slack thinks they've perfectly balanced a unique and special snowflake on the tip of a unicorn's horn when what they've really done is added a pretty UI to IRC. It's a chat room. With channels. So, sorry to tell you guys, but it's not innovative, it's lucky. We had chat rooms back in 1995. Yes, that scrappy startup Microsoft will not have too much trouble implementing a chat room and they don't need l…

Another day, another post dismissing success as luck. Let's take this somewhere. So what if it's just luck? What useful information can we glean from your dismissal?

>Another day, another post dismissing success as luck.

I thought it was pretty well known that luck plays a significant factor in success. Are you disputing that?

Re: Slack may regret its letter to Microsoft

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>The first iPhone had the same features as previous phones The browser was the killer feature. Remember Jobs going to the NYT website?

It just was one of many killer features. Contemporary phones also had web browsers, they just weren't as good, by far. I remember the awful browser on the Nokia N73 (my last phone before the iPhone), which had a largeish screen and a little joystick to control a mouse pointer, but no touchscreen.

>they just weren't as good, by far.

Exactly. The point of the demo was "this browser is just as good as one on a computer".

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