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> The world now knows better about these harmful environmental practices, and has access to better tech to avoid this Except the better tech tends to be more expensive and less labor intensive. A country with a huge cheap labor force would handicap itself by not using the most cost effective means to grow their economy, negative externalities notwithstanding.
which doesn't make it right in any way - caring only about "me", "now", and not "us" and "tomorrow" Or in other words - it explains it, but doesn't justify it. We as mankind can do better
NASA Scientists Suggest We’ve Been Underestimating Sea Level Rise
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How dishonest can you get? Would you like to explain why Libya was an issue at that time, and not in the preceding decades?
Dishonest? I do not know why violent revolution was fomented in Syria or have a reasonable explanation why Libya was bombed. You should explain your comment.
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Dishonest? I do not know why violent revolution was fomented in Syria or have a reasonable explanation why Libya was bombed. You should explain your comment.
You seem to be claiming that bombing in Libya started the instability in Libya, rather than the reality which is that it was a result of that instability. I suspect you know that however, because again... dishonesty.
No I am not the one making two sentence cryptic and insulting, dishonest accusations.
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I hope you are being sarcastic.
He's not. Inefficient code multiplied by millions of users = quite a lot of coal being wasted.
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He's not. Inefficient code multiplied by millions of users = quite a lot of coal being wasted.
For example AirBNB talks about 2000 web servers with Rails. I bet they could be 200 web servers with Java. So because of Ruby, we have 1800 servers burning coal in a datacenter somewhere.
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Belgium's reactor is old (1974) and was planned to be shutdown. To my understanding, nothing serious has happened there, the plant is just following normal precautions because of a motor failure. Isn't it rather encouraging sign that safety protocols are followed? Furthermore, if people didn't oppose new reactors as vehemently as they do, there would be less pressure to continue lifetime of the old ones
I'm not only talking about the latest event, there has been quite enough stuff: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tihange_Nuclear_Power_Station And considering that the first reactor was designed to work until 2005, it's only natural that more parts will start to fail until 2025. Furthermore, if people didn't oppose new reactors as vehemently as they do, there would be less pressure to continue lifetime of the old ones .…
That's a good point, yes, you are right - the correct action is to shutdown the plant as planned - and gain trust to build new ones by executing that plan.
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You seem to be claiming that bombing in Libya started the instability in Libya, rather than the reality which is that it was a result of that instability. I suspect you know that however, because again... dishonesty.
It is not clear that Libya was on the verge of collapse before Nato bombed it. It is not clear that the US is not on the verge of collapse with the terrible state of their current election - but it IS clear that bombing and funding violent revolutionary forces within it would not help anything. No I am not the one making two sentence cryptic and insulting, dishonest accusations.
I'm done with this.
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You realize an infographic involves opinion right? What data to use, what scale, etc. You can't just present one graph and say you win... Both sides could find a graph or 3.
The data is all temperature records, and the scale shows every recorded variation. What about that is opinion??
2) What colors are picked for the background? We are in white now and going to red? What if the colors showed us in blue, and global warming moving us to white?
It is a total lie to say raw numbers don't lie. Every part about making an infograph lies. X axis. Y axis. Colors. Labels. We could take the same dataset and draw many different conclusions.
(Not that global warming isn't true, but that infographic isn't enough)
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> We were going to see the end of arctic ice Sea Ice Extent Is Near Record Lows--South as Well as North: https://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/sea-ice-extent... > have a perpetual ozone hole necessitating sun screen when venturing outside and decimating wildlife from cataracts Antarctic ozone hole beginning to heal: http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/06/antarctic-ozone-hole-... (as mentioned elsewhere, this…
> How Global Warming Helped Cause the Syrian War: https://www.wired.com/2015/03/global-warming-helped-cause-sy... . This is embarrassing.
I agree that there's been a lot of over-exaggeration on both sides of the issue. If you listen only to pundits and talking heads, you're almost certainly getting the wrong information. The actual scientists, however, look at things a little differently.
For example, you cannot build a dam to handle any arbitrarily large amount of water. So what do you do? You look at the historic record and build your dam to survive a "1 in 500 year" flood. These sort of "1 in X year" events are all over climate science: "1 in 100 year hurricane", "1 in 500 year drought", "1 in 1000 year cold/warm streak". What I've seen most scientists say regarding climate change is that it will, essentially, shift X down for all of these. Of course, most of us are not going to live 100/500/1000 years, but if you look at all of these statistics in aggregate, you might notice that the globe would normally have, say, 3 "1 in 100 year" floods in any given year. If this year there are 5, and next year there are 4, that might be climate change.
Or it might not, because the aggregate statistics have their own statistics. For example, you might determine that a year with 5 "1 in 100 year" floods is, itself, a "1 in 500 years" phenomenon. Does that mean this year is that 1? Maybe...maybe not. But at some point, when you notice that all of the aggregations of aggregations of "1 in X" years events is a "1 in 1,000,000 year" phenomenon under non-climate change conditions, but a "1 in 10 year" or "1 in 50 year" phenomenon if climate change is occurring, then you might start thinking about attributing these events to climate change.
So: was the Syrian War caused by climate change? Maybe...maybe not. 3 years in a row of drought is probably a "1 in 500 year" type event. If climate change turns that into a "1 in 50 year" event, you still can't say for sure that climate change caused the drought...but you can say it's much more likely to have.
We'll know soon enough. If extreme weather events start causing more destabilization in more different parts of the world, we may find the long trend of decreasing incidence of conflict reverse itself...
Or maybe not, because maybe the decreasing trend will overpower the climate change induced increase, causing the overall trend to remain downward...just not as fast downward as it could have been. And really, that is what the problem with climate change is: the cost of doing nothing is greater than the cost of doing something. (The Stern Report lays this out in 700 pages of painstaking detail: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stern_Review .) Climate change probably won't wipe out the human race, but it will depress the progress and/or potential progress we might have made in its absence.
I find it the highest kind of irony that the main argument people make against doing anything about climate change (it will cost money) is actually the best argument for doing something to prevent it.
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It is not clear that Libya was on the verge of collapse before Nato bombed it. It is not clear that the US is not on the verge of collapse with the terrible state of their current election - but it IS clear that bombing and funding violent revolutionary forces within it would not help anything. No I am not the one making two sentence cryptic and insulting, dishonest accusations.
Who said anything about "verge of collapse"? You, just now, and that's it. I'm done with this.
If we wont stop attacking people, we wont stop wrecking the environment.