Live data from Hacker News

How the Web Became Unreadable

backchannel.com

221–230 of 354 posts

Re: How the Web Became Unreadable

#222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hacker News is guilty of exactly this on downvoted posts.

The low contrast text? You realize that this is a feature?

Yeah, but it sucks, because instead of just indicating that people have made it low-quality it makes it hard to read even if you would like to go ahead and brave reading a downvoted comment.

Re: How the Web Became Unreadable

#223

Designers are ruining software in general. iTunes, the iOS music app, and Google Maps are just a few pieces of software that started out relatively usable (if not exactly stable in the case of iTunes), and have been iterated and stylized to the point where I routinely get enraged by them. At least Google Maps has walked back that terrible accordion thing that literally drove me crazy. I basically think design is like…

I listen to less music in my car because iTunes is such a pain in the butt to listen to your own music on the device. Audible has an acceptable interface so I listen to more audio books. I'm starting to think the people working on iTunes hate music. Never mind replacing the rating I spent years setting with a friggin like button.

Re: How the Web Became Unreadable

#224
post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Check your ageism bub. Some of us have been online longer than you've been alive.

Ummm, I'm sure you're technically correct about there being folks here who were online before I was born (although there almost certainly aren't a whole lot — I'm pretty old), but my comment was against discriminating against folks based on age-related conditions like declining eyesight. If you're annoyed that I used my elderly neighbour as an example of someone I wouldn't want to explain stylesheets to: she is an ac…

Thank you for clarifying your position.

Re: How the Web Became Unreadable

#225
post #203
post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I seriously want to punch a hipster every time I have to use an app that used to work and has now been designed to death. Me too. In fact, it concerns me how angry stupid decisions make me these days. I just want to sit folks down in a chair and ask them why they hell they broke something that needed no fixing. It wasn't a problem, and now it is. I want to quote the 90s classic Billy Madison at them: > Mr. Madison,…

> Me too. In fact, it concerns me how angry stupid decisions make me these days. Are you me? I'm the epitome of the old grumpy programmer. I have this love/hate relationship with technology. One the one hand I still love it, on the other hand I hate 99.9% of the tech I come into contact with because it's always shit for some reason or other.

Me too. I had a true rage moment when I open the Clock app on iOS 10 and discovered some weasel of a designer had changed the colors to some orange / black scheme for no reason. It's harder to read and clownish looking.

Re: How the Web Became Unreadable

#226
post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>You know what works? Craiglist, that's what works. Reddit works. Hacker News works. Political views aside (and the post doesn't concern those either), this is quite relevant: https://signalvnoise.com/posts/1407-why-the-drudge-report-is...

I have no idea where to look on that page (meaning the Drudge Report website). Maybe once you're "used to it" it becomes easy to parse but I've just spent a minute looking at it and I'm not even entirely sure what the site is about? It's compared to mainstream news sites so is it meant to be a news site? For example the main headline right now is "TONIGHT: HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP!" What does that even mean?

>I have no idea where to look on that page

Everywhere? It's a page full of selected news headlines. You're not supposed to look at some particular place (except the big letter, highlighted few headlines that are presented as the most important), just to check which ones you want to open.

So, not totally unlike the first page of HN.

>For example the main headline right now is "TONIGHT: HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP!" What does that even mean?

That tonight is the big battle between Hillary and Trump?

Re: How the Web Became Unreadable

#227

Designers are ruining software in general. iTunes, the iOS music app, and Google Maps are just a few pieces of software that started out relatively usable (if not exactly stable in the case of iTunes), and have been iterated and stylized to the point where I routinely get enraged by them. At least Google Maps has walked back that terrible accordion thing that literally drove me crazy. I basically think design is like…

Evernote is another one of those apps that used to just work and now their search box is almost frustratingly invisible and hard to find.

Re: How the Web Became Unreadable

#229

Designers are ruining software in general. iTunes, the iOS music app, and Google Maps are just a few pieces of software that started out relatively usable (if not exactly stable in the case of iTunes), and have been iterated and stylized to the point where I routinely get enraged by them. At least Google Maps has walked back that terrible accordion thing that literally drove me crazy. I basically think design is like…

The cancer has now spread to each professional, industrial, each institutional site I use. One after another, they fell into the mobile-friendly but desktop-unfriendly and any-real-use-unfriendly fad: white space everywhere, flat design, white text; the amount of information on a screen has been divided by 2, by 3, by 4, I don't know, with wide spaces on the sides, with huge vertical space between each line of information, and each 'cell' containing fewer pieces of information. Oh, and bloody fat flat meaningless icons everywhere.

Was it at least to add features? to improve features? No, there are less features, it takes more operations to achieve the same features, and there is a whole new set of bugs, while the previous set had been corrected along the years.

Moreover, the result is generally more sluggish and ressource-consuming than the previous version.

Re: How the Web Became Unreadable

#230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also relevant is the typography concept of "color": http://practicaltypography.com/color.html .

That website is currently not loading for me.

Ah it seems to redirect HN users to [0]. Sorry, it worked in my search so I didn't know about that. You can just search for "color typography" and read an alternate link or try clicking into that one from Google/the address bar mode since it seems to rely on reading the referrer. On a sidenote, the whole book is great so if you do read it and find it useful, I would pay for it.

[0]: http://practicaltypography.com/graylist.html

Post reply on HN