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Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by khattam »

ghshephard wrote: post #100

What's interesting about this post isn't the actual diet advice, but the guidance to track and see what works for you. Different people react to fasting differently - some continue to burn calories and drop weight, some just go into starvation mode, have their BMR crash through the floor, and end up exhausted all the time because their body is fighting like crazy to conserve energy. Likewise - some people, when they…

> It's pretty easy to lose 40-50 pounds and end up being much less healthier than you were before

Maybe if you amputate your legs or catch AIDS or syphilis in the process. Otherwise, I can't see how losing 50 pounds will leave you less healthier than before.

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by Borkdude »

erikb wrote: post #218
Borkdude wrote: post #215

Warning: unpopular opinion here. Long term low carb dieting and ketosis is not without risk. Yes, you will see weight loss, but what about other health markers? Check out some of the information here: http://nutritionfacts.org/topics/low-carb-diets/ What has worked for me was a plant based diet without added oil and processed foods: https://medium.com/@borkdude/tl-dr-of-my-long-term-weight-lo... Been doing that for f…

Can you give a short overview of what you are eating and why? Just plants? Also including nuts? What about eggs? If you go full vegan it's not without risk either, you know.

Sure. My diet looks like this for example:

- Breakfast: oatmeal with fruit

- Lunch: rice and beans with vegetables (cooked or raw)

- Dinner: mashed potatoes with carrots and onions or whole wheat pasta with tomatoes and spinach, etc.

Snacks: fruits (usually bananas and tangerines because they are so portable), dried fruits, unsalted/unroasted nuts

Condiments: all herbs, spices, salt (limited), nuts, seeds. No oil.

I'm aware of the risk of an all plant based diet. The main risks is B12 deficiency which is easily solved by taking a little pill one or few times a week.

Excellent explanation of why both approaches (high fat or high carb) may work: https://www.facebook.com/drgarth/posts/1213478802006359

Lecture about high carb vs high fat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFfK27B_qZY

http://www.forksoverknives.com is an excellent resource to get started on this plan, including a documentary and recipes.

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by agentgt »

It is funny but I had pretty much the exact weight loss as the OP had doing intermittent fasting. Sadly I wasn't as rigorous on the recording of weight loss but I went from 195 to 175 over roughly the same time period as the OP.

One thing I found is writing down a plan seems to really help you stick with it.

I finally wrote down my workout routine after decade of on and off training. I always logged my workouts but I never wrote the overall plan down. If you are interested in my routine it is here (it has very little to do with diet as I was going to write a follow up some day): https://gist.github.com/agentgt/f93b78dbe13870a6d0a1

I have never publicly posted the routine so if you feel the need to trash it I suppose you can do so in the comment area of the gist but routines are pretty personal anyway (to the OPs point).

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by davidf18 »

In males, over time testosterone decreases which causes muscle mass to decrease. Building up the large muscles through resistant exercise or any exercise (eg, gluteus maximus -- thigh) increases the muscle mass. Increased muscle mass increases the basic metabolic rate (BMR) which is the number of calories consumed even while at rest, even while sleeping.

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by khattam »

Borkdude wrote: post #215

Warning: unpopular opinion here. Long term low carb dieting and ketosis is not without risk. Yes, you will see weight loss, but what about other health markers? Check out some of the information here: http://nutritionfacts.org/topics/low-carb-diets/ What has worked for me was a plant based diet without added oil and processed foods: https://medium.com/@borkdude/tl-dr-of-my-long-term-weight-lo... Been doing that for f…

If you malnourish your body so much so that it loses the ability to store any fat, it is possible to lose weight. However, it is the unhealthiest option there is.

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by ghshephard »

barney54 wrote: post #207
ghshephard wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've tried all sorts of diets in metabolic chambers - and it's really quite amazing how closely the observed results track the predicted results. Determine a person's BMR, and then feed them a variety of diets higher, or lower, than that BMR, and watch their body mass (exc. water) increase, or decrease as expected. Possibly the case that when you were eating carbs, you were putting away 3500 calories a day, and th…

The water loss is one thing I like about a low carb diet--you get positive feedback right away. It isn't real weight loss, but that doesn't matter. The point is to get started and feel like you have made progress in the right direction. Then the real, much slower, weight loss can begin.

Completely agree with you. And, even though I realize exactly what's happening, I also like it. You can even make the up/down swings work for you. The 4-hour body slow-carb approach has you "refeed/binge" once a week, where you usually put on 8-10 pounds in a single day. But because you know it's going to happen, it's not particularly worrisome, and then you get the bonus the next week of dropping 2-3 pounds on the scale every day.

But, I think it's also a good idea, in addition to enjoying that little bit of gamification on your scale numbers, to also have a good sense of what's actually happening in the body mechanics.

That way, you get the best of both worlds.

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by ghshephard »

rjsamson wrote: post #209
ghshephard wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never found potassium in sufficient quantities in pill supplements - but low-sodium salt gives you 500 mg per 5g teaspoon (and another 1000 mg of Sodium, Ironically)

Unsweetened Almond Milk is also an awesome source of both sodium and potassium - a staple for me while doing Keto.

Thanks! Really appreciate the recommendation - I'm going to hit up all our local stores for some. Went jogging this evening, and for the first time in about 2+ months didn't get any cramping in the legs (which happens to me 100% of the time for any run longer than about 8-10 minutes), and the only change I've made is supplementing potassium, calcium, and magnesium.

In keeping with this thread - I guess I could vary different dozens of variables, one or more at a time, apply the same Ketosis machine learning algorithm, and see what really makes the difference.

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by jokamoto »

khattam wrote: post #221
ghshephard wrote: post #100

What's interesting about this post isn't the actual diet advice, but the guidance to track and see what works for you. Different people react to fasting differently - some continue to burn calories and drop weight, some just go into starvation mode, have their BMR crash through the floor, and end up exhausted all the time because their body is fighting like crazy to conserve energy. Likewise - some people, when they…

> It's pretty easy to lose 40-50 pounds and end up being much less healthier than you were before Maybe if you amputate your legs or catch AIDS or syphilis in the process. Otherwise, I can't see how losing 50 pounds will leave you less healthier than before.

Two possible ways:

Being underweight is dangerous, just as being overweight is dangerous. Instead of heart disease and joint damage, you end up with osteoporosis, anemia, etc.

Losing weight without paying attention to nutrient intake and balance can have similar effects, even if you'd be at or above healthy weight losing 50lbs.

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by ghshephard »

khattam wrote: post #221
ghshephard wrote: post #100

What's interesting about this post isn't the actual diet advice, but the guidance to track and see what works for you. Different people react to fasting differently - some continue to burn calories and drop weight, some just go into starvation mode, have their BMR crash through the floor, and end up exhausted all the time because their body is fighting like crazy to conserve energy. Likewise - some people, when they…

> It's pretty easy to lose 40-50 pounds and end up being much less healthier than you were before Maybe if you amputate your legs or catch AIDS or syphilis in the process. Otherwise, I can't see how losing 50 pounds will leave you less healthier than before.

What I was trying to say, perhaps poorly, that is if you were heavy because you were working out a lot, and eating a lot, and then decided to lose weight by reducing the eating/working out, you can end up being skinny/fat/weak.

At the very least, doing regular body-weight resistance training (pushups, situps, pullups, air-squats), helps to reduce the amount of muscle you are losing while you are losing weight.

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by njloof »

rotomatt wrote: post #117
jaggederest wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, if you put cream in your coffee... that's basically liquid butter with some whey in it.

No, the actual experience is a significant departure from using cream, or milk products, or imitations of milk. It floats on the top, in beads, like a soup broth.

One of those immersive hand mixers for 10s or so can turn it into an emulsion, which is much more pleasant.
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