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Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

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Re: Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

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From the article > "use my data to customise adverts around the web" Why is this always a bad thing? Is it just an innate feeling against having your information "used"? Personalization is an ever more important and much wanted feature in everything else in life so why should ads just be generic and irrelevant?

For many people, personalization is not a wanted feature because it implies that information about you is being gathered and stored. This storage may not be problematic right now, but it can potentially be used to cause you problems in the future. Some people simply do not care or believe that the advantages outweigh the disadvantages, while others do not mind the small inconvenience of non-personalized offerings if it means they might avoid a large inconvenience in the future.

Re: Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

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> I and probably many others around here already run a personal dev server Oh yeah, me too, and tbh it's enough of a pain already without having to deal with mail, spam and the likes. There is a reason that companies like Heroku exist and prosper; it's the same reason personal mail servers never saw mass-adoption, despite being one of the first things you could do on the internet. The anecdote that you find it easier…

I just don't understand where the difficulty some people have in mind comes from so I'm trying to understand it better. You don't have to be bleeding edge to be secure against remote attacks, most of the configuration is trivial, I think more people would do it if it wasn't made out to be such a difficult thing for no real reason. Maybe if someone made an integrated mail server it'd be more common.

> I just don't understand where the difficulty some people have in mind comes from so I'm trying to understand it better.

It's a pain in the ass from time to time, especially if you don't administer Linux boxes for a living. I've been running my own MTA for well over a decade, and have dealt with every one of the issues cited by the other people responding to you in this thread, as well as most cited by other people discussing this article in general, and a few (such as the advent of deliverability/spam-fighting tools like DKIM and DMARC) which I haven't seen anyone else mention. I haven't kept close track, but I'd say it's cost me altogether somewhere between one and two weeks of time over the years - and that doesn't count initial setup, because I did that back before you could just pick any of a dozen HOWTOs that'd take you through the whole process end-to-end.

For me, and apparently also for you, that tradeoff is worthwhile. (For me, not least because the amount of effort required has gone nearly to zero in the past few years. If that weren't true, I'm not sure I'd feel the same way.) For a lot of people, that tradeoff makes less sense than spending about the same, or a bit more, money, in order to have their mail infrastructure looked after by professionals who do it for a living. Granted, they have to deal with risks that we don't, like Google's habit of surprising its users with rather stupid UI changes, only some of which fail to last. But we have to deal with risks that they don't, too. We prefer control to convenience and are willing to spend time and effort to get the result we want, and that's okay. Others prefer convenience to control and would rather spend money to get the result they want, and that's okay, too. Different people have different needs.

If that's still confusing, I don't really know what to tell you. Sorry.

Re: Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

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Well, for me that's not weird, it's just a big fuck you, totally consistent with what other companies are doing. Multi-platform these days means Windows + OS X + Android + iOS. And the market I'm in is too small for them to bother, so might as well sit on that pile of cash and not want my business. The weird part is that Linux is mostly about the server, being a really good home server for many people. And setting up…

1password keeps a history of edits, too. I don't know any way in which it's not a full history… hmm… maybe because they expose previous passwords, but if you change your username, they don't keep the old username unless it was a separate entry?

Yes, the username and all other fields besides the password are not kept in that history.

Re: Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

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Has anybody used HushMail [0] or ProtonMail [1]? How does it stand against both free services like GMail/Yahoo or paid ones like FastMail? [0] https://www.hushmail.com/ [1] https://protonmail.com/

Hushmail should be considered compromised. They have turned over plaintext emails to US law enforcement in the past.[0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hushmail#Compromises_to_email_...

Thanks, this is interesting.

So, ProtonMail [0] and Tutanota [1] appear to be better choices.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ProtonMail

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tutanota

Re: Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

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I find myself in a minority on this one, but a big part of why I switched to FastMail is Gmail's search was always slow and typically insufficient for me. E.g., Gmail didn't (doesn't?) do stemming, meaning I needed to memorize exact phrases to find messages. I've had no such problems with FastMail search and it's remarkably quick.

Gmail search definitely stems. I just spot checked a few irregular plurals and their singular forms are all found. One other benefit of Gmail search is it also searches Docs and other private data. For some reason the Gmail search is more effective and faster than Google Docs' own search.

It's been a few years since I've actively used it. If they added the feature, fantastic. I recall looking for an email containing "dog" and search for "dogs" and couldn't get a match.

It's unlikely I'll be switching back soon, if for no other reason than I'm prepaid on FastMail, but how is searching over large accounts now? I found with more than a few GB of email, search would take upwards of 20s. I had to get very aggressive about deleting messages to keep the search time down.

Re: Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

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Lately I've been looking at some paid email options as I'm not happy with the offering over at Yahoo, Google, Microsoft or AOL. I wonder why they're all quite expensive. Fastmail is $40 a year, and that's for 15 GB. I would need at least 20 GB (which means I'm looking at $120 a year). 15 GB is free over at Google. Does that mean my data is really worth $40 a year to them. I do realize this is oversimplifying things..…

Why not use that transfer as an excuse to delete old email? I try to limit my accounts to hundreds of MBs, despite having far more capacity. Reduce the weight you carry around rather than hire a bigger backpack.

My tax returns are emailed to me. Even though I have never needed them I'm legally required to save them for 7 years just in case. I have a number of other emails in the old list that I don't expect to ever need again but they are still relevant to something and I need to keep them just in case. Odds are my house will not burn down, but I still have fire insurance - most of my old emails are like that: I don't believe I will ever need them but I can't prove it.

At work I've discovered outlook has an expires after tag that I can set on each email - I set this on everything I save which keeps my saved messages clean. I haven't found a convent way to do that with anything else though I understand something like it exists.

Re: Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

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I've come around to considering having 12 years of gmail online a liabilty. There's simply too much data there that can be used to steal someone's identity. At some point someone nasty is going to get into your email.

You feel that it's a liability compared to storing the 12 years of email elsewhere, or compared to just not storing 12 years of email? What about the utility of the archive compared to the liability?

I feel it's a liabilty to keep it online. Storing it offline is useful.

Re: Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gmail search definitely stems. I just spot checked a few irregular plurals and their singular forms are all found. One other benefit of Gmail search is it also searches Docs and other private data. For some reason the Gmail search is more effective and faster than Google Docs' own search.

It's been a few years since I've actively used it. If they added the feature, fantastic. I recall looking for an email containing "dog" and search for "dogs" and couldn't get a match. It's unlikely I'll be switching back soon, if for no other reason than I'm prepaid on FastMail, but how is searching over large accounts now? I found with more than a few GB of email, search would take upwards of 20s. I had to get very…

20 seconds is completely outside of my experience. You were searching with the gmail frontend, or via IMAP? I have 5GB in Gmail and I get instant results as I type in the search box, and full results in about one second when I hit the enter key. I only have a little bit of email in my fastmail account so I can't really compare it.
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