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Australia has some of the best reverse engineering laws currently. Those four kids reverse the Sydney train system legally (they did responsibly disclose n such).
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Sega Saturn CD Cracked after 20 Years
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Re: Sega Saturn CD Cracked after 20 Years
#222Earlier quoted context omitted.
As an alternative: we could demand that, for works that are only released to the public in encrypted form, an unencrypted copy is put in independent escrow (e.g. Library of Congress) to qualify for copyright protection.
That's an interesting and compelling idea. But that database of unencrypted copies would be the ultimate target for industrial espionage, copyright theft, and hacking. I don't think we can trust any one organization with that responsibility.
I think it has a more obvious problem. No one will be updating those copies even if they will be released once. It's simply a mess to manage.
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#223Earlier quoted context omitted.
> And from a business point of view, it can be really hard to make that case. Not really. DRM usage has nothing to do with (honest) business cases. They are all crooked or Lysenkoist in nature (i.e. based on completely wrong / ignorant reasoning). Also, I think you are mixing up DRM with security. DRM is the opposite of it. DRM can employ encryption, but its purpose is not to secure your system, but to police you, an…
> DRM usage has nothing to do with (honest) business cases. They are all crooked or Lysenkoist in nature (i.e. based on completely wrong / ignorant reasoning). Can you explain this? The argument and terminology are unfamiliar to me. Wikipedia says: > Lysenkoism is also used metaphorically to describe the manipulation or distortion of the scientific process as a way to reach a predetermined conclusion as dictated by a…
Cory Doctorow was the one who compared DRM usage to Lysenkoism. See his explanation here: http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/columns-and-blog...
In short, it means that logic of DRM usage is completely invalid and based on false premises (when someone tries to justify it using reasons like increasing sales for example and such).
There can be other possible reasons for DRM usage, which aren't Lyseknoist, but simply crooked. I.e. for instance, covering up incompetence, competition exclusion, standards poisoning, undemocratic policy making and so on. Those are done to achieve dirty goals, and they are harder to counteract than ignorance.
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I don't know any players that are in favor of DRM per se. Players are willing to accept DRM, IF it is transparent, and even more willing if it enables some perks. There was a time when DRM was only visible when it broke your legitimately purchased game (e.g. SimCity, Diablo 3) Now at least gamers are getting some decent perks from DRM (e.g. digital loaning, play anywhere, cross platform licensing) so it's a bit easie…
> Now at least gamers are getting some decent perks from DRM (e.g. digital loaning, play anywhere, cross platform licensing) so it's a bit easier to stomach. That's because people have been vocal about that. If the companies had it their way, I'm sure the majority would want you to buy a new license for each platform and system (like how the cheap Windows licenses are - locked to your system)
Yes, I'm sure companies want to maximize sales, that is their job. And yes, people were very vocal about shitty DRM (and rightly so).
The old way of doing business was proprietary everything. (See Sony in the 80s and 90s) I'm just glad manufactures finally saw that locking things down so much increased customer anger and frustration more than it increased sales. Being a child of the 80s, I'm still surprised at stuff like using a generic USB thumb drive in an Xbox 360 and things of that nature.
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Remeber those Arcade Game-Memory manufactured into the battery? You had to break the battery and (suppossedly) cut the powersupply to get to them. Isane.
Are you thinking of Suicide Batteries?[1] IIRC, tehy're a major hindrance to people who want to legitimately restore old arcade/pinball machines, rather than just grabbing a cracked rom. [1] http://www.arcadecollecting.com/dead/
Yes, what a wonderfull example of corpoorate paranoia. They are out there- the enemy, the other tribesman and there psychopaths- out to get me, my fortress, my product for cheap- but i will show it to them, i shall leave no mark upon this world, for which i shall be remembered.
Ten layers of tinfoil can capture pirate-bullets.
Re: Sega Saturn CD Cracked after 20 Years
#226Earlier quoted context omitted.
> DRM usage has nothing to do with (honest) business cases. They are all crooked or Lysenkoist in nature (i.e. based on completely wrong / ignorant reasoning). Can you explain this? The argument and terminology are unfamiliar to me. Wikipedia says: > Lysenkoism is also used metaphorically to describe the manipulation or distortion of the scientific process as a way to reach a predetermined conclusion as dictated by a…
Cory Doctorow was the one who compared DRM usage to Lysenkoism. See his explanation here: http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/columns-and-blog... In short, it means that logic of DRM usage is completely invalid and based on false premises (when someone tries to justify it using reasons like increasing sales for example and such). There can be other possible reasons for DRM usage, which aren't Lyseknoist, but…
> false premises (when someone tries to justify it using reasons like increasing sales for example and such).
How is it a false premise? For the sake of argument, lets say we have a "perfect" DRM method.
Then do you believe that - for e.g. all the people who're pirating Windows - would switch to a competing product because they were not going to buy it in the first place? IMHO That would be a completely erroneous position. Maybe _some_ might, but there is no evidence that everyone would. Which is the crux of the problem. If DRM didn't increase sales then I don't think you could make the argument that every single publisher who uses DRM is doing it for reasons other than sales.
Re: Sega Saturn CD Cracked after 20 Years
#227Earlier quoted context omitted.
Cory Doctorow was the one who compared DRM usage to Lysenkoism. See his explanation here: http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/columns-and-blog... In short, it means that logic of DRM usage is completely invalid and based on false premises (when someone tries to justify it using reasons like increasing sales for example and such). There can be other possible reasons for DRM usage, which aren't Lyseknoist, but…
> false premises (when someone tries to justify it using reasons like increasing sales for example and such). How is it a false premise? For the sake of argument, lets say we have a "perfect" DRM method. Then do you believe that - for e.g. all the people who're pirating Windows - would switch to a competing product because they were not going to buy it in the first place? IMHO That would be a completely erroneous pos…
> How is it a false premise?
Because DRM is decreasing sales, not increasing them.
> lets say we have a "perfect" DRM method.
There is no perfect DRM. But let's say there is very hard to break DRM. That means very abusive, extremely privacy invasive policing method. It would fall even more into the crooked territory.
> If DRM didn't increase sales then I don't think you could make the argument that every single publisher who uses DRM is doing it for reasons other than sales.
Why not? I could make an argument that some do it out of ignorance, and the rest (of DRM users) are crooks. That's exactly what I'm saying. I.e. those who aren't dumb are using it for crooked reasons which have nothing to do with preventing piracy (I listed such common reasons above). And the rest (who use it indeed for sales sake) are digital Lysenkoists.
Re: Sega Saturn CD Cracked after 20 Years
#228Earlier quoted context omitted.
> false premises (when someone tries to justify it using reasons like increasing sales for example and such). How is it a false premise? For the sake of argument, lets say we have a "perfect" DRM method. Then do you believe that - for e.g. all the people who're pirating Windows - would switch to a competing product because they were not going to buy it in the first place? IMHO That would be a completely erroneous pos…
> How is it a false premise? Because DRM is decreasing sales, not increasing them. > lets say we have a "perfect" DRM method. There is no perfect DRM. But let's say there is very hard to break DRM. That means very abusive, extremely privacy invasive policing method. It would fall even more into the crooked territory. > If DRM didn't increase sales then I don't think you could make the argument that every single publi…
>Because DRM is decreasing sales, not increasing them.
Based on what?
Re: Sega Saturn CD Cracked after 20 Years
#229wow! THIS is what hacking looks like. these days the term seems to have been muddled and interchanged with "programming". True art of reverse engineering something you don't have a full manual for (and can't ask StackOverflow).
Re: Sega Saturn CD Cracked after 20 Years
#230Earlier quoted context omitted.
> How is it a false premise? Because DRM is decreasing sales, not increasing them. > lets say we have a "perfect" DRM method. There is no perfect DRM. But let's say there is very hard to break DRM. That means very abusive, extremely privacy invasive policing method. It would fall even more into the crooked territory. > If DRM didn't increase sales then I don't think you could make the argument that every single publi…
>Because DRM is decreasing sales, not increasing them. Based on what?
> Based on what?
Based on crippling the product for those who pay for it. I.e. there will be those who will simply skip it because of DRM altogether.
In addition, some skilled pirates will remove DRM and provide that product without crippling for everyone else, and there will be those who otherwise could buy it, if it would have been DRM-free, but because it's DRMed they will pirate it instead.
The bottom line - DRM means lost sales.