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Theranos Is Subject of Criminal Probe by U.S

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Re: Theranos Is Subject of Criminal Probe by U.S

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> a surprisingly large portion of the population likely has thyroid cancer and doesn't know it, and many have it and it isn't treated A larger portion of the population has prostate cancer. You probably have it right now. My mom likes to tell a story from one of her classes at medical school. The teacher had a bunch of slides of prostate material; you had to identify which prostate was cancerous. There were so many q…

Uh, why didn't she teach the known diagnostic criteria? I don't want my oncologist winging it based on what looks intuitively obvious on a slide.

> Uh, why didn't she teach the known diagnostic criteria?

Generally you would do this before having the lab in which students are expected to use the knowledge. It's kind of pointless the other way around. In other words, that doesn't help with the problem. Knowing the official diagnostic criteria is often not helpful for diagnosing a condition.

Your oncologist will be winging it based on their past experience.

As an addendum, here is a description of the process of diagnosing prostate cancer from a biopsy, from http://www.cancer.org/cancer/prostatecancer/detailedguide/pr... :

> Prostate cancers are graded according to the Gleason system. This system assigns a Gleason grade based on how much the cancer looks like normal prostate tissue.

> If the cancer looks a lot like normal prostate tissue, a grade of 1 is assigned.

> If the cancer looks very abnormal, it is given a grade of 5.

> Grades 2 through 4 have features in between these extremes.

> Most cancers are grade 3 or higher, and grades 1 and 2 are not often used.

> The Gleason score can be between 2 and 10, but most are at least a 6. The higher the Gleason score, the more likely it is that the cancer will grow and spread quickly.

> Since prostate cancers often have areas with different grades, a grade is assigned to the 2 areas that make up most of the cancer. These 2 grades are added to yield the Gleason score (also called the Gleason sum).

Note that this explicitly contemplates, at the low end of the scale, that it's difficult to distinguish between normal prostate cells and cancerous prostate cells.

Grades 1 and 2 are not often used because biopsies, a fairly invasive process, tend to be taken from men who are already suspected to have higher-than-average levels of cancer. If we took biopsies from a representative population sample, grades 1 and 2 would feature prominently in the results. That is the point of the med school anecdote -- even in samples artifically chosen to highlight the difference between a normal prostate gland and one with a serious problem, you just can't keep low-grade cancers out of the "normal" samples.

The point of the lab exercise is to give students practice grading cancers, and recognizing the difference between serious prostate cancer and run-of-the-mill prostate cancer. Only experience will help with this, because the diagnostic criteria are "prostate cancer runs the full continuum".

It is the norm in medicine that a question of the form "does this patient have this condition" has no truly objective answer. Surgery is well understood; internal medicine is not.

Re: Theranos Is Subject of Criminal Probe by U.S

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"The Journal‘s reporting suggests that Theranos had been falsifying lab records to make it look like its own proprietary gear was as reliable as the industry standard.

Documents from health care inspectors also seem to show that this kind of stuff was happening.

If the DOJ concludes that Theranos was charging money for a test it knew was not accurate, that would violate health care laws, and could earn people prison time." http://www.wired.com/2016/04/theranos-investigated-fraud-wei...

Re: Theranos Is Subject of Criminal Probe by U.S

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post #94

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Uncovering? They pissed off (justly) somebody very important, probably in the military, and they used WSJ to orchestrate this.

Really? I don't know these reporters, but I know ones of similar caliber, and they are very, very hard to use. They are of the "if your mother says she loves you, check it out" school of reporting. So in that spirit, could you provide your evidence that the reporters were used? And also explain by whom, and why these military VIPs didn't just have the DOJ go after Theranos directly?

I imagine a chain of events something like this: 1) Some shady anonymous source (someone incentivized to see Theranos fail) provides them with some hints. 2) Being good journalists, they follow up and find that something sketchy is going on at Theranos, enough for a whole series of good stories. 3) At this point, even if the original anonymous source was using them, they've put together their own story. What are they going to do, kill it to avoid helping some third party by printing the truth?

Re: Theranos Is Subject of Criminal Probe by U.S

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The cynical point of view is that some wealthy investors feel like they were mislead and that is the only reason the SEC gives a hoot.

Nah, no way. If anything the SEC spends too much time chasing down small time crooks scamming grandpa.

That's the point they only go after people scamming grandma unless some influential person pushes them to do otherwise.

Re: Theranos Is Subject of Criminal Probe by U.S

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? I don't know these reporters, but I know ones of similar caliber, and they are very, very hard to use. They are of the "if your mother says she loves you, check it out" school of reporting. So in that spirit, could you provide your evidence that the reporters were used? And also explain by whom, and why these military VIPs didn't just have the DOJ go after Theranos directly?

I imagine a chain of events something like this: 1) Some shady anonymous source (someone incentivized to see Theranos fail) provides them with some hints. 2) Being good journalists, they follow up and find that something sketchy is going on at Theranos, enough for a whole series of good stories. 3) At this point, even if the original anonymous source was using them, they've put together their own story. What are they…

I'm not getting how this might be different than any other exposé. I'd guess the majority of people contacting reporters have some sort of agenda.

Re: Theranos Is Subject of Criminal Probe by U.S

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post #118

Here's a television parody I wrote about Theranos that ends right where this story begins... http://pricks.com

Not bad, but why did you make the Holmes character an English PhD when part of her story is the whole founder-dropout thing?

Possible answer from the script's "notes" page: "the degree hanging in her office is aspirational. she would've gotten it. It's a reminder of everything she gave up"
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