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Angular 2 Beta released

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Re: Angular 2 Beta released

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Post by MasterScrat »

bmm6o wrote: post #166
debaserab2 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ReactJS has slaughtered the front-end market share (in a good way) and completely taken develo Do you have a citation for that? I still see tons of user land projects using angular 1.

Yeah, you're right not to trust statements about projects "capturing mind share" and what is "really hot right now" (not intending to quote OP). People get into their little communities and don't realize that they are not at all representative of the larger world. To make something up, I can totally believe that React is really popular in the San Diego startup scene, but it's a mistake to extrapolate that too far in…

We need a service that compares how software solutions are perceived.

Sometimes you have questions on StackOverflow that compare eg Angular with React, and they usually raise a lot of good points, but they are missing several dimensions:

* the products evolve, but the SO answers often don't

* the trends change as well, so what was seen as best practice 1yr ago may not be well regarded now

* you do not have an objective representation of how many people are actually supporting each technology

I think there's definitely something to be done in that space.

Re: Angular 2 Beta released

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Post by losvedir »

disease wrote: post #70
cdnsteve wrote: post #14

How many Angular folks are sticking with native ES6 and babel vs TypeScript? Angular is clearly directing folks to TypeScript. I don't want to have to use TypeScript on front-end and ES6 + Babel in Node. Trying to pick one.

I've been using TypeScript for a few months now and have been so impressed with it that I am beginning to favor Angular 2 over React just because of Angular 2's TS integration. TypeScript basically made JavaScript more powerful and a whole lot more fun for me. I feel so much better about slinging around parameters now that I know my IDE will catch type/parameter mismatches before I run the code, before I build it, ev…

> I've been using TypeScript for a few months now and have been so impressed with it that I am beginning to favor Angular 2 over React just because of Angular 2's TS integration.

As a big fan of types myself, I hear you. Have you tried using flow with react? I wonder how they compare.

Re: Angular 2 Beta released

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Post by sebak »

nezo wrote: post #213

The whole angular.io documentation is telling me "well f*ck you vanilla JS user, go learn TypeScript and come back"

Well, the angular 2 beta release blog mentions that these the docs for es5/es6 are still in the works...

Re: Angular 2 Beta released

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Post by sebak »

myth_drannon wrote: post #165
debaserab2 wrote: post #150

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> ReactJS has slaughtered the front-end market share (in a good way) and completely taken develo Do you have a citation for that? I still see tons of user land projects using angular 1.

based on HN hiring posts, more companies ask for React than Angular experience. React growth in 2015 is absolutely stunning. http://www.ryan-williams.net/hacker-news-hiring-trends/2015/...

Here in Europe, I asked around to some firms like Aston Carter and Computerfutures recently. They had 0 requests from customers for React and A LOT for angular. Now these work mainly for enterprise companies which are hard to convince of a new technology. So all of these companies will transition much easier to angular 2 (just because they know the name 'angular') then to react.

Re: Angular 2 Beta released

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Post by auvrw »

ohsnap wrote: post #155
Veratyr wrote: post #153

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Google's Polymer [0] is probably closer to React than Angular. Angular's more of an application framework. Polymer's more of a Web Components[1] framework, which I think is closer to what React is doing. [0]: https://www.polymer-project.org/1.0/ [1]: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Web_Components

Long term I can see web components/polymer shims being preferred over React, but not till the major browsers catch up. Like the parent says, Facebook is deeply invested in making React work and it really shows. Angular/Polymer always seems more r&d/experimental to me, which is great but not for people who want to do production work.

it's not either/or

react.c : Activity/Fragment :: web component : View :: web : Android

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Re: Angular 2 Beta released

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Post by Ralfp »

vcarl wrote: post #187
bmm6o wrote: post #166

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Yeah, you're right not to trust statements about projects "capturing mind share" and what is "really hot right now" (not intending to quote OP). People get into their little communities and don't realize that they are not at all representative of the larger world. To make something up, I can totally believe that React is really popular in the San Diego startup scene, but it's a mistake to extrapolate that too far in…

As a counterpoint, there are a decent number of people learning it around where I am in southeast Michigan. There was a conference in Detroit, they said that they got a ton of React talk submissions. I used it at a small business print shop, admittedly they just let IT do their own thing. I think there are probably still more Angular devs, but I'll be interested to see how it evolves in the next few years.

But this can be countested ad nauseum via continously moving on to the next place.

Re: Angular 2 Beta released

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Post by awjr »

DigitalSea wrote: post #149

Congratulations to the Angular 2 team on shipping before Christmas. The estimate was originally somewhere around early 2016, so this is a huge deal for them to get this out before the year was up. Unfortunately, Angular 2 launched into beta too late. In the amount of time that Angular 2 has taken to get to beta, ReactJS has slaughtered the front-end market share (in a good way) and completely taken developers by stor…

I usually evaluate frameworks based on the job market. In the UK there are currently 298 jobs for Angular and 109 for React (www.cwjobs.co.uk). React is up on around 40 jobs at the beginning of the year.

The reality is that you should know Angular AND you should know React. These are not mutually exclusive.

Re: Angular 2 Beta released

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Post by cmdkeen »

dyeje wrote: post #157
debaserab2 wrote: post #150

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> ReactJS has slaughtered the front-end market share (in a good way) and completely taken develo Do you have a citation for that? I still see tons of user land projects using angular 1.

Yeah, the google trends don't seem to support that either: https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=reactjs%2C%20angular...

One slight issue there is that React is much less frequently referred to as reactjs compared to Angular - even down to the official project URLs.

Obviously the Google trend search for "react" has lots of false positives, but some of the major news points it picked out include references to the right react.

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Post by tragic »

jgord wrote: post #107
um_ya wrote: post #86

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Never understood why people liked React so much. I don't know why, but mixing javascript and HTML just looks... gross.

..I feel the same way. I prefer creating dom with code syntax. You can replace JSX by hand-coding with React classes - take a look at the compiled jsx and mimic that. I find it as easy to work with, and less cognitive dissonance [ a personal preference ] I actually am looking seriously at Mithril in preference to React for my next chunk of work. I might swing the other way if React native became stellar [ and viably…

It seems a bit of a Hobson's choice to me.

Q: which do you prefer - this:

  ReactDOM.render(
Hello World
)
or this?

    ReactDOM.render(React.createElement("div", null,
      React.createElement("p", null, "Hello World")
    ));
A: handlebars.

Re: Angular 2 Beta released

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Post by janpieterz »

merpnderp wrote: post #76
janpieterz wrote: post #25

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I really wanted to start using ts in my next React app but did not find any good resources and couldn't get it off the floor. Happen to have any insight on that?

This happened to me. When TS came out with JSX support I immediately forked our NG 1.4 project and tried to start a port. I barely got Visual Studio working with the React TS code and quickly ran out of steam. Looks like I'll need an external build step because I could never get Visual Studio to build the React app into a single app.js file.

Yeah, sad really. It almost seems like Visual Studio Code is getting better support for it, which from the point of a paying VS user feels a bit off, I now switch between two editors to develop one app (VS and Atom), but would love to do everything in VS. Ah well, we'll probably need to wait.
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