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State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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I don't agree. There's a stark difference between a car accident and a fellow human being pumping rounds into people in your local restaurant. The other driver is not trying to kill you typically.

Why does intention matter?

> Terrorist acts damage the social fabric far beyond the death toll.

Intention is all that matters, and why its attempting to damage social fabric.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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And wholesale US intelligence failed also, either that or they kept the intelligence to themselves.

Or a fairly simple, and unfortunately satisfying, explanation; this attack is an official action intended to provide a political climate conducive to power consolidation. Too bad it smells like a conspiracy theory.

why is that any more likely than it being a home grown terrorist attack? But my point stands, the US may well have had prior knowledge but want the french onside for future anti-terror wars, if that isnt the case then the millions or billions spent on intelligence gathering since 2001 has been a complete waste.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Disappointed to see the comments downplaying the situation because as many people get killed in car accidents every week or whatever. Terrorist acts damage the social fabric far beyond the death toll. That's the whole point of terrorism.

Only because people like you seem to think it's such a big deal. If people were to look at it as it is and comprehend the scope of the matter, it wouldn't damage the social fabric.

This statement is so naive that it blows me away. As toomuchtodo said, there's a huge difference between n car accidents per year, and the equivalent damage done by a terrorist attack, and the answer isn't just "stop making such a big deal about it". When I get into a car, I'm putting myself in a situation that could be dangerous, and am accepting those risks for the reward of not having to walk to work. When these people sat down to have a drink, watch a soccer game, or enjoy a concert, they were doing so with the implicit safety that those venues and events provide. It's the difference between "expected" and "unexpected", and your answer can't just be "stop making such a big deal", because if we didn't make a big deal, the attacks would get bigger, broader, and more damaging until they got the reaction that they wanted. It's a complex problem with a lot of moving pieces, and this answer just takes away from that and presumes that there's a simple answer to a very hard problem.

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People who utilize a structured society, not a roving band of city-dwelling mercenaries? There are many, many examples of bands of 'citizens' subverting the legal system by taking justice into their own hands. Often, they ended with lynchings. We have police and a government because the protection of the people is the job of professionals who (usually) respect the rule of law, not random able-bodied men hunting down (possibly innocent) people through city streets.

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French and living in Paris here. I'm at home fortunately but I live nearby the places in the eastern side of Paris that were attacked. Don't know what to say , just that I hope everybody and their families are safe. This is hard, a very hard hit on my country. Vive la France.

Vive le france!

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>>every able bodied man in Paris would be taking up whatever arms or improvised arms they have and hunting down these murderers to defend their city

And accomplishing what? Increasing the death toll? There are professionals who have many hours of training to prepare for this. They know how best to handle this situation.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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> make sure that people in general have lots to lose especially those on the fringes of society What do you mean by this? It sounds a bit ominous, if you'll pardon me.

There is nothing ominous about it. A person that is happy, has a life and a means of self-support as well as a family is likely not going to be easily turned against society. On the other hand if every door you try to open is closed and you're being pushed into the corner of having 'nothing to lose' then you might be influenced in a negative way. So better to make sure people have plenty to lose.

This will probably never happen, though. Opening doors to people in any way like those who just committed acts of terrorism is far too much like giving in to the terrorists to be politically viable. And so, we'll keep on making sure that there are plenty of people with nothing to lose, and that the recruiters keep on finding plenty of willing recruits.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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It's called a state. It has a monopoly on violence. It doesn't take kindly to competition.

(Stupid question warrants a stupid answer. Other than the fact that you're relying on a fallacy of evoking a nostalgic period that probably never was, there's the whole matter of the French government ordering a curfew on its citizens for them to stay inside. As such, your scenario of French men taking up arms is explicitly forbidden by the government, and will likely get you killed if you attempted it.)

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Please, wars of religions are from the 16th century [1]. In 2015, it's probably more linked with the foreign affairs and military operations. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Wars_of_Religion

If there were no Muslims, there would be almost no terror attacks. Conversely, if there were more Muslims, there would be more terror attacks.

Maybe, maybe not. In Nothern Ireland Christians have been killing each other for a while. Maybe religion is just a superficial reason.
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