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Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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I am very interested in learning how they provide 12 hours of usage for the Surface Book. What do they disable to extend the life? They battery capacity?

My hunch is both halves have a battery. Also that 12 hours is listed as video playback, which is not how Apple measures.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Could be a MBP replacement for developers. The only thing is those of us running on OS X, how is Windows 10? I love my command line and linux like commands and tools. - Homebrew - Bash scripts - Docker (Windows 10 currently not supported) - Vagrant I just feel the tooling for MS isn't in the direction I am. I still have a Windows 7 desktop and it's just not the same.

I use Windows as a desktop but have it host a VirtualBox Linux VM for my real work because I don't find either Windows or OSX acceptable for serious Linux development. OSX is actually more insidious because it sort of looks like Linux and makes you think it just about can be Linux, but it's just not.

Under VirtualBox my development environment can match my production environment almost completely. There's no awkward "but here's how you do it in Windows/OSX" that mostly works but often doesn't in some subtle way. I haven't tried Windows 10 yet but this setup has worked very well under Windows 7 and 8.1 so I expect it will be fine under 10 since it's just an evolution. I've used this setup in OSX and Windows and it goes more smoothly in Windows.

One of the keys to it is that you use SMB to mount your VM disk as a local drive to the host, so you get the benefit of any Windows editor.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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post #143

Looks terrible on Chrome https://imgur.com/H75ejZN

Microsoft could do a much better job managing their vendors who create these sites for them to render well cross-platform and responsively.

This one looks decent on Chrome mobile with the photos going edge to edge with no margin, but the site for the event at http://www.microsoft.com/october2015event/en-us/live-event looks pretty amateur hour on Chrome mobile on my Moto X: huge margins and padding that result in text paragraphs with two words per line.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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post #190

Could be a MBP replacement for developers. The only thing is those of us running on OS X, how is Windows 10? I love my command line and linux like commands and tools. - Homebrew - Bash scripts - Docker (Windows 10 currently not supported) - Vagrant I just feel the tooling for MS isn't in the direction I am. I still have a Windows 7 desktop and it's just not the same.

As a developer my first question would be: Can I dual boot linux on it? If so it would be an extremely attractive developer machine and switch to Windows when you need it. The hardware is the show stealer here.

It seems like running in a VM is a much more attractive option than dual booting these days. The performance hit is negligible (especially with 16GB RAM), you can use both OSes at the same time, and you can use all the native Windows touch/pen drivers and have them carry over to the VM.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hybrids have a very different audience compared to regular laptops (ultrabooks), as they're structurally very different (that is, they are a compromise by definition), so I wouldn't compare them directly. Don't get me wrong, I have one instead of a regular laptop, but I can see how people used to the latter would feel uncomfortable with them, unless they have a strong motivation to move to the hybrid form factor.

I'm not sure you could call the Surface Book a hybrid form factor. It just looks like a laptop until you lop the screen off.

That's the definition of hybrid :-)

Academic definitions aside, there hybrids have to choose a very serious compromise due to the balance:

if you make the base light (surface pro case), you won't really have a laptop, instead a tablet which sits on your legs.

if you make the base heavy, you're making a relatively heavy laptop.

now, there is of course a spectrum of choice, but practically speaking, even they make a very light tablet part (say, 850 grams), with a "heavy base", you will add 550 grams at least (550 being an odd balance).

I'm absolutely happy to have a 1.4 kg hybrid, but it's not going to compete with the upcoming wave of ultrabooks (note that I'm somewhat skeptical it will be 1.4kg, I bet it will be a little more).

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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I think the Surface Book is finally something that can give the MacBook Pro line a run for its money, this should be interesting.

I had a long discussion a few weeks ago with some friends about how in the short term, Apple messed up with iOS/OS X while Microsoft took the hard, long, correct route and made the OS work in both places. This was after the launch of the iPad Pro which is xbox-huge. I was imagining a product which was a MacBook "Base" which you could connect an iPad to as the 'screen' - except you'd have two different OSes that you'd…

This right here. I'm almost afraid it might be too late for them, but Microsoft has been doing it right time and time again with their hardware, and now with their OS (at least after 8.1). I've been a Windows user since 3.11, but I'm always on the verge of switching over to OSX as my main dev/personal machine... Windows 10 & the Surface Pro have been able to at least delay this switch this time around.

Microsoft is the one that is closest to what I think the future should be: only one device you dock and use.

Not sure I'd want a Windows phone either (I'm currently on Android) but I might rethink that in the future as well.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Could be a MBP replacement for developers. The only thing is those of us running on OS X, how is Windows 10? I love my command line and linux like commands and tools. - Homebrew - Bash scripts - Docker (Windows 10 currently not supported) - Vagrant I just feel the tooling for MS isn't in the direction I am. I still have a Windows 7 desktop and it's just not the same.

>> Could be a MBP replacement for developers. The only thing is those of us running on OS X, how is Windows 10? >> I love my command line and linux like commands and tools. - Homebrew - Bash scripts - Docker (Windows 10 currently not supported) - Vagrant I switched from OSX to Windows last year. I thought I'd miss stuff, but you don't. There are package managers like chocolatey to replace homebrew. I use Cmder as my…

Out of curiosity, do you use vagrant for everything?

I used Windows a little while ago, and I couldn't do any work without firing up a VM. I missed my environment, but if I did everything in a virtual machine, I could accomplish what I needed.

Eventually I gave up. I was actually doing my development in linux and windows was just acting as a VM host. It's almost comical that I ever said I did development in Windows.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Page looks bad and it loads so slow! At some point, the msdn pages were awesomely fast and I would've imagined they spent more time on load testing for such a crucial day. That aside, the product looks very interesting. I was a Windows user for a long time and switched to Mac in the last few years. This makes me want to give the newbie a try.

Came here to say the same thing about load time - I'm on a fast connection using Chrome and this thing will hardly load for me. I thought it was my ad blocker at first, but nope, just the site. Also tested it with Firefox and Safari and got the same thing.

EDIT: someone below said the CDN might be on the fritz, so that likely has something to do with this. it may be fixed by the time some people see these comments.

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