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Post by natmaster »

tvanantwerp wrote: post #215
quotedmycode wrote: post #204

I've been following him since I took the 'isidewith' quiz. I hadn't even heard of him before, but he's 96% compatible with my stances. Wouldn't it be nice if everyone instead of voting for a certain candidate, voted on the issues, and the candidate who voted most like the population would win... and their votes would be made public.

I took the isidewith quiz and got something like 80% for Bernie Sanders. Then I took the quiz, intentionally answering the opposite of everything I actually believe. Still about 80% for Bernie Sanders. I'm at a loss.

It's called propaganda.

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Post by spectrum1234 »

TimJRobinson wrote: post #134
philangist wrote: post #6

I don't follow politics at all, but the more I read and hear about Bernie Sanders the more I like him. I'm sure we've got a few political experts on Hacker News so I'd love to hear if you guys think he actually has any chance of winning the presidency.

As someone who was born in Australia and now lives in Amsterdam I feel like he's the most sane politician in America. I still don't understand why Americans are so insistent on keeping their "Bad for the people, good for business" policies. If you're in the 1% sure that makes sense, but for everyone else life is so much nicer with free healthcare, good vacation time, maternity leave, good public transport, proper pri…

But incentives are not aligned so therefore in the long run GDP and life are both worse off.

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Post by res0nat0r »

davis_m wrote: post #163
res0nat0r wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't matter to most of America. They hear "socialist", "social something", and they are going to be against it.

They certainly seem to love their Social Security.

They do, and they also hold up signs that state "Keep Government out of my Medicare." I didn't state US citizens as a whole are very bright.

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Post by nightcracker »

djrogers wrote: post #178
ihaveajob wrote: post #150

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If anything, the EU is larger and more populated than the US, so even in that case it should be easier to implement anything in the US.

"The EU" doesn't have a socialized system - most (all?) of the countries in the EU do have distinct, different, and locally funded socialist programs, but "The EU" doesn't.

If only the US had distinct and different local government... like states?

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Post by brlewis »

r3bl wrote: post #39
coldpie wrote: post #16

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Most manuals of style say that "Sanders's" is most correct, but will allow for "Sanders'". I strongly prefer the former. It's logical if you think of it: s' is always for plural nouns that end in S, 's is always for singular. "The cats' milk" vs "James's hand." This way also matches pronunciation. It gets tricky to keep straight when you have plural nouns that don't end in S. I know "Men's clothes" is correct. But I'…

Man, it's no wonder that people like me two aren't speaking English natively get confused about that whole *'s thing.

English is ridiculously hard to get right. Witness the gp comment where someone who clearly thinks a lot about correctness has misspelled "lesson".

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Post by Apocryphon »

andrewfong wrote: post #169
TimJRobinson wrote: post #134

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As someone who was born in Australia and now lives in Amsterdam I feel like he's the most sane politician in America. I still don't understand why Americans are so insistent on keeping their "Bad for the people, good for business" policies. If you're in the 1% sure that makes sense, but for everyone else life is so much nicer with free healthcare, good vacation time, maternity leave, good public transport, proper pri…

Thomas Frank took a stab at this question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What%27s_the_Matter_with_Kansa... Worth a read. From my perspective, there's no one answer, but I've noticed a handful of things: * Race - Most democratic socialist countries tend to have more homogeneous populations. The U.S. has sizable African-American and Latino-American minorities, often segregated into their own neighborhoods, and that oft…

Isn't the problem of a military industrial complex is that the industry ends up being a huge employer, and so it's not simply matters of jingoism or foreign policy, but to cut the military would be to cut jobs? The military itself is a huge employer as well, and a way to provide additional social services (tuition for veterans, etc.) because Americans are unwilling to provide that in other ways.

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Post by ruraljuror »

adrusi wrote: post #165
ruraljuror wrote: post #142

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The distinction being made is between an expert in politics and someone who is political and an expert in something else (like tech).

I interpreted it as the distinction between someone who presents themselves as a political expert and someone who actually is.

I enjoy my interpretation more, but I think you're right. Good call.

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Post by ZenoArrow »

gjm11 wrote: post #186
malkia wrote: post #158

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A lot of my bulgarian friends, and others, living here in America are thinking that taxes, free schools, even police, firefighting, etc. are just things that should go away. Essentially you have to pay, and be a "share-holder" in everything. You should be on top of things everywhere, etc. etc. And someone recently posted this on his fb page: "If a businessman makes a mistake, he suffers the consequences. If a bureauc…

> "If a businessman makes a mistake, he suffers the consequences. If a bureaucrat makes a mistake, you suffer the consequences." - Ayn Rand. There is some truth in this. It is the almost-exact flip side of this : If a businessman does something right, he reaps the gains. If a bureaucrat does something right, you reap the gains. ... which doesn't sound so bad, now does it? Neither is exactly correct. If the senior man…

> "If a businessman makes a mistake, he suffers the consequences. If a bureaucrat makes a mistake, you suffer the consequences."

Makes for a catchy soundbite, what a shame it's not true.

A businessman can make a mistake that impacts millions of people. Here are a couple of prominent examples:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestlé_boycott#Baby_milk_issue

To summarise the first, Bayer had to stop selling some blood transfusion products in the US after they were found to be contaminated with HIV and Hepatitis C. What did they do with the blood? They sold it in Asia and South America instead. A cold-blooded capitalist may argue this was a 'win' for the company in terms of income, but regardless a business decision was made and there was huge damage as a result.

To summarise the second, Nestlé tried to encourage groups of mothers in developing countries to give up breast feeding their babies and sell them infant formula instead. They do so at first by giving out free samples. Numerous problems ensued (including the mothers' no longer being able to produce breast milk for their babies, leading to deaths once the free samples stopped and the mothers were no longer able to afford the infant formula).

There are plenty of other examples (especially in the areas of environmental pollution and worker conditions), I'm guessing I don't need to go on.

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Post by nindalf »

jerf wrote: post #22
philangist wrote: post #6

I don't follow politics at all, but the more I read and hear about Bernie Sanders the more I like him. I'm sure we've got a few political experts on Hacker News so I'd love to hear if you guys think he actually has any chance of winning the presidency.

At this phase in the run, the punditariat is greatly, greatly more confident than the facts justify. I don't mean that specific to this year... I mean generically at this phase of the campaign. If the punditariat was correct at this phase, Hillary Clinton would not currently be able to run, because she'd be finishing out her second term, having defeated Rudy Guiliani in the 2008 campaign by a small but significant ma…

I disagree with the assessment that (in your experience) the front runners usually lose or that this Democratic primary cycle is similar to the last one.

Focusing on the latter, fivethirtyeight did a comparison of Clinton's chances today compared to 8 years ago and found that she is in a much better position [1]. As much as I want Sanders to win, I trust fivethiryeight and I think they've got it right on this one.

[1] - http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/bernie-sanders-youre-no-b...

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Post by morganvachon »

iamthepieman wrote: post #42
morganvachon wrote: post #28

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He's an interesting candidate. From what I've seen he's not your typical politician, and he seems to mesh well with the current twentysomething crowd despite being from the tail end of the "Greatest Generation" himself. I don't know how much of a chance he has to win the presidency, but I can say that I like him much, much better than any other candidate (and I'm not a political kind of guy).

> I like him much, much better than any other candidate (and I'm not a political kind of guy). I think that might be what relegates him to second place. The people who like him might go out and vote during the primary but that's it. You need to attract a lot more than votes or bodies at rallies to win the primary. You need to attract supporters willing to volunteer and get out on their streets all over the country.

I don't know...I have a lot of friends on both sides of the fence who like him and have pledged to support his campaign with more than just votes. I've been described as a "fiscally conservative, socially progressive independent" by many acquaintances, and I can see myself voting for him all the way through. As I said, I don't really get political (I know, how un-American of me) but he's someone I would consider getting off the couch and knocking on doors for. He hits all the right points as far as I'm concerned, and he does it without grandstanding and deflecting like all the others.

Of course it's early in the campaign yet, things may change for the worse and he may be revealed to be just another scummy politician. But from what I've read, he's been consistent throughout his career, so there's that.

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