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Re: OnHub

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When I've had a cable modem, all I've had to do is connect my router to the modem via Ethernet. When I've had modemless service via Ethernet jack, all I've had to do is connect my router to the wall Ethernet jack. So what are you talking about? Purchasing your own cable modem? Or something else that I've never had to do?

If you have DSL, the modem and the router are the same box, so if you want your own, you have to throw out the one the ISP gave you, and configure yours by yourself. In practice, I bet you could just call up the ISP if you're having trouble, but I agree that an ISP has an incentive to give you a good unit to start with.

> If you have DSL, the modem and the router are the same box, so if you want your own, you have to throw out the one the ISP gave you, and configure yours by yourself.

The usual recommended approach I've seen is to keep the ISP-provided modem/router, plug your router into it, and make certain configuration changes on one or both of the devices (though, for the same ISP, I've seen conflicting information on the correct configuration changes, with clearly dated assumptions, but still possibly correct as far as it goes information, in the official information from the ISP.)

But my basic point is that for most home users, they aren't conceptualizing it as spending separately on "internet service package" and "network hardware", the network hardware is part of the internet service package.

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Can anyone explain why a Router needs 4GB of storage ? What do they mean by "OnHub has 4GB of storage space, so there’s plenty of room for auto-updates and the latest software features." ? Is software for a router that large ?

A local cache is of course useful for streaming video, but with home automation it can also be useful in the reverse direction. If your Nest cameras are not getting enough bandwidth to send up full 1080p back to the service, they can send 480p up to Google, cache the full-res video on the OnHub router, and upload the buffer late at night when bandwidth is more available.

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> For initial setup, the Google On app on a device with Android 4.0 or higher or iOS 7 or higher is required. Bah! What's wrong with my Thinkpad?

Adding support for Linux/OSX/Windows is probably not a priority for them to get this thing off the ground.

Re: OnHub

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Very interesting. From looking at the specs, it looks like they're packaging a server and marketing it as a router. The configuration app is a very nice touch, routers have always a pain to configure. I'd love to stick this in my apartment (even though I can only receive a maximum of 10mb/s). As a side note, I'm surprised this isn't marketed alongside the Nest branch. It really has the look and feel of Nest products…

To understand why certain products, which are seemingly unrelated to Google's core competency, have stayed with Google and haven't moved on to Alphabet, or why Google created a product such as OnHub and not Nest, you have to realize why all of these product are under Google - to track all the data that goes through them under the same generic/unified "privacy" policy, and then feed it into its advertising system. Tha…

I hate to burst your bubble, but it's actually just a branding thing, and has been in the works for much longer than anyone involved knew that Alphabet was going to happen.

The team that built this is part of the same company as Google Fiber (disclaimer: for which I work), which is in fact no longer part of Google Inc.

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I have to say it looks like they may have taken some liberties with the product design a la Amazon Echo. Before I read into the product specifications I was expecting an Echo competitor via Google Now tech.

Agreed. It looks a little like a squatter Echo. Cylindrical, ring of light at the top. But I suppose Amazon will avoid any legal action since it's pretty tough to win a court case with the argument "they copied my cylinder." Hopefully the different functionality of each device will keep any ugly legal battles from ensuing. But with the a computer embedded in this router along with a speaker and bluetooth and zigbee r…

About 80% of the space in the Amazon Echo is taken up by the speaker. The Google router just has a little 3w speaker in it, so I don't think Google is gonna be converting it into an entertainment device anytime soon.

Re: OnHub

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> routers have always a pain to configure Eh? You must buy some shitty routers, no offense. Compared to the rest of the market, paying $200 for a router isn't competitive. It just is not worth it given Google's "eh-we-will-do-it-and-stop-if-people-complain/sue" mindset. ---- To Melvin, since I'm submitting to fast: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B013ALA9LA?ref=spks_0_0_2170510902&... > OnHub Wireless Router from Google and…

I have a 1 Gbps fiber connection at my apartment. I spent a good hour doing research and finally bought this http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BUSDVBQ . It had 4.5 stars at the time and was the highest rated router that Amazon carried. I bought it, plugged it in and ran speedtest on it. Max speed I could get was 250mb/s. Not bad but not the gb/s that was getting advertised. Additional, over time, it would always sl…

I was in the same situation as you. Same Router too.

I could actually get close to 1 Gbps with the stock firmware. But it was unstable, requiring a reset every other day. I used an open source firmware, but it didn't contain the NAT offload module, so I would not be able to get over 200-250 Mbps. (This was is all wired, not wireless).

Since I had a wifi access point, I ended up switching to an Ubiquity Edgemax router and haven't had any problems since.

Not really a fan of TP-Link.

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I wonder if these will be capable of lending spare (encrypted) bandwidth to anonymous mobile devices. I.e., can Google Fi[1] users benefit from Wi-Fi when walking past a house that has an OnHub running? [1] https://fi.google.com/about/

Every time a company has tried to do open wifi sharing there's been a lot of kickback. Mostly because it's opt out instead of opt in but that's put a big damper on anyone doing similar things.

Re: OnHub

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The biggest positive about a company like google releasing a router is the security updates. Most consumer routers out there are left to rot and you're forced to buy a one when its exploited.

https://github.com/RMerl/asuswrt-merlin

well... I use this and it definitely not auto updates! Also keep in mind this is a one man show. https://github.com/RMerl/asuswrt-merlin/wiki/Questions-&-Ans... I even set a alarm on http://watchthatpage.com/ to track changes of that router software.

Re: OnHub

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So can I use it to do all the nerdy things I use my DD-WRT flashed router for? Like QoS, adblocking at the router, a separate guest WiFi, VPN support, MAC address filtering, etc?

Re: OnHub

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Sounds a lot like the Meraki model. Makes sense... I'm sure one of the top consumer issues is losing router credentials.

> losing router credentials I suspect 95% of people do not change the default credentials, which are stickered or engraved on their routers.

And honestly that probably greatly improved home wifi security.
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