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Re: We apologize
#212As someone who has been using reddit for nearly a decade, I can't help but find this whole thing to be completely absurd. Mods are claiming they're the backbone of the whole site, which is complete nonsense. It's the internet; one person steps down, there are thousands to replace them... just like reddit and other sites have always worked. The whole organized "blackout" just felt like a bunch of people on a power tri…
> Mods are claiming they're the backbone of the whole site, which is complete nonsense. It's the internet; one person steps down, there are thousands to replace them... just like reddit and other sites have always worked. Perhaps we're seeing people slowly become aware of this fact. In any other context, having given long hours of uncompensated labor to a for-profit entity that views them as completely disposable is…
Nor would most spend their time doing so.
Re: We apologize
#213Earlier quoted context omitted.
>but you're not privy to the details That's why I said there is no apparent cause. >not privy to the details and have no right to be Strictly speaking that's correct. Here in the real world, Reddit might weigh more carefully how their operational decisions have affected actual operations, as opposed to continuing to operate as if they have total control of every aspect of Reddit. >It would be bad form to publicize th…
What was the pent-up discontent about? Removing awful subreddits? I still can't come up with any good reasons why people are so angry. Some moderators should be mildly peeved, but that's about it.
>What was the pent-up discontent about?
Lack of moderation tools, unresponsive admins, accusations of shady conspiracy stuff (payola, censorship, etc), there is other stuff. I don't care to list it all but you should look into it if you want your arguments to be taken seriously.
>Removing awful subreddits?
As has been related to you many times, that is a recent issue.
Re: We apologize
#214Earlier quoted context omitted.
Was this why Victoria was fired?
As I understand it: nobody knows why Victoria was fired, and speculating will probably do more harm than any possible good.
Is it speculating or finding out the truth that would do harm in your opinion? Her firing is at the very center of a very public controversy - why should it be a secret?
Victoria is most likely legally barred from speaking out, so the facts would need to come from third-party witnesses.
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#215Earlier quoted context omitted.
>If the CEO was some boring old white man, nobody would be calling for his head like this, nor would they be the best person to be publishing apologies. You mean like Brendan Eich? (CTO, but still) Or, as long as we're talking about online megacommunities, how about moot of 4chan? He stepped down as the owner of 4chan half a year ago and people are still mad at him.
Go listen to the live Q&A moot did at the end. Yes, all eight hours of it. All community managers should strive to be at peace with the world as moot was. He truly understood his community and understood that no matter what he did, there'd still be people hating him.
moot definitely has community management experience that can't possibly be replicated, is there a synopsis of this 8 hour video anywhere?
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#216Earlier quoted context omitted.
You mean this petition: https://www.change.org/p/ellen-k-pao-step-down-as-ceo-of-red... Which doesn't list any actual specific grievances, but does mention the completely irrelevant gender discrimination lawsuit she was involved with? The one that supporters are signing with openly misogynistic and racist slogans and nicknames? The one that's full of duplicate signatures and obviously fake names? That's the petition…
According to the trial, Pao slept with a married colleague and then tried using it as leverage for the next few years. It's ugly but certainly a relevant aspect of Pao's character.
Strange, I've never heard anyone make that claim before nor can I find it in any write ups of the case.
That she slept with a married man is public record but "used it for leverage" doesn't seem to have been part of the testimony. I'm afraid you may have been duped by a person with an agenda to make Pao look bad.
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#217Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, I've heard that, and that's crazy too. The community actually has a veto on communications from the CEO? Absolutely nuts. They couldn't just hack the backend to give her a billion upvotes?
Much of this controversy is driven by the community's loss of trust in the site's administration. Do you think the tactic you suggest would be constructive toward rebuilding that trust?
Faking upvotes, no. But that wouldn't be necessary if they had an actual communication channel in place ahead of time. Which they would if they really understood the value of the community and what it takes to manage it.
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#218Earlier quoted context omitted.
>One of the mig issues people have with Ellen Pao.. Bullshit, that's just the newest thing they've loaded their blunderbusses with - and is less than days old. It isn't why they've been calling her a cunt and hitler, and asking for her to be fired or killed for months.
Reddit and Redditors, as with HN and its participants, are diverse and contain multitudes. I moderate a couple of modest subs and have participated on Reddit, generally positively, for three years. Pao hadn't impressed me hugely, though I didn't find her behavior strongly negative. The FPH situation was handled and communicated poorly, but from what I understand, was sound (the banning was based on violations of site…
I agree with every single thing you've written here. My only point was that the Victoria situation was not at all the reason the hate-squad (who issue death-threats instead of talking about the issues) started hating on Pao - it's just another bullet in their misogyny gun.
The mods/subs going dark is another thing, and was not at all addressed by my original comment.
Re: We apologize
#219Earlier quoted context omitted.
>One of the mig issues people have with Ellen Pao.. Bullshit, that's just the newest thing they've loaded their blunderbusses with - and is less than days old. It isn't why they've been calling her a cunt and hitler, and asking for her to be fired or killed for months.
yes it is a recent thing however look at the "we apologise" thread and it is the topic of the top voted comment. People care about it. The cunt/hitler thing all relates to the banning of r/fph and the reasoning behind it. Her statement to the effect that reddit was not a free-speech site but a safe place was the originator of most of the hatred. Reddit always championed itself as a free-speech site and it was the use…
No, it's even older than the FPH banning. It's pure tabloid misogyny, and has been increasing steadily since here appointment.
FPH's banning and the Victoria thing have certainly turned up the volume of it, as the hate-squad hold up each new issue (and with the Victoria episode, finally an issue that raised valid concerns) as more proof that they'd been right to harass her for months.
Re: We apologize
#220I like Reddit, a lot, but the community is shit. I read this apology and then Ellen's reply and that has negative 55 hundred votes. They have no real reason to dislike her. They have no real reason to be mad at the one woman being fired. They're just coming off as a bunch of upset kids with some "authority" in the form of votes or moderation. As a casual user I have no need to dislike Ellen or feel slighted by the wo…
> a bunch of upset kids with some "authority" in the form of votes or moderation.
In all fairness, a lot of their users are probably kids. Who are upset.