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Firefox tracking protection decreases page load time by 44%

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Post by danbruc »

devsquid wrote: post #207
throwaway2048 wrote: post #198

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It pretty amusing to see pro advertisement people argue that ads aren't predatory because they're not ACTUALLY effective you see..

That would truly be a foolish argument to make. However the argument I am making is, is ad supported content is one of the few monetary schemes which allows you to produce a product that allows for poorer people to part of the audience.

They are still paying for it with every product they buy because prices include the ad budgets. At best you could argue that poorer people are subsidized by richer people because they buy more and therefore pay for a larger share of the ad budget but ads certainly don't make stuff free for poorer people. Whether they would be better off with no advertising at all, i.e. if they still pay a larger share of the ad budgets than what the ad supported stuff they consume is worth, I can not tell.

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Post by devsquid »

toephu2 wrote: post #169
devsquid wrote: post #133

Man, ads are great. They allow content to be targeted towards people that could potentially not afford the content and towards people that might not necessarily use the product normally. The world is already significantly divided by wealth. Assuming someone poor even has access to a service like Google, imagine if it was behind a paywall. Could they afford it? If not imagine how much of a life advantage someone wealt…

"Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need." -Tyler Durden

Ah quote from a movie made by privileged ppl for angsty privileged ppl to think they are smarter than the other ppl in their society. A guaranteed formula for success. :) A word of advice quotes without arguments do not truly mean anything, particularly quotes from box office successes. Watch out I might start quoting Rihanna or Eminem at you! ;D

However addressing the quote directly. If Tyler Durden truly had that simplistic of a view of modern human life, than he sadly lacked any empathy for his modern man. As the character in the film suffered from some form of Bi Polarism that would make sense. Dealing with his ego over shadowed his ability for him to comprehend others. Didn't really like the film tbh.

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Post by gurkendoktor »

bsder wrote: post #19
aroch wrote: post #17

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Apple is supposedly getting into the search engine business. It'd be great if they and Mozilla got together, both companies believe in user privacy and could complement each other in getting things down

Apple believes in user privacy. Your naïveté is touching.

Well then be cynical, and let's say that Apple is greedy but believes user privacy is a selling point for its hardware products, just like its accessibility efforts. The result is the same. My iPhone randomises its MAC address when scanning for Wi-Fi, Apple's APIs to ask for user permissions are improving with every release, and iMessage is as secure as a closed-source IM platform can be.

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Post by devsquid »

mikro2nd wrote: post #188
toephu2 wrote: post #169

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"Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need." -Tyler Durden

Or, as I drummed into my kids heads, "If they have to advertise it, it is almost certainly not good for you."

Why not? The world is not wholly evil. I know plenty of ads which accurately demonstrate what is good about a product. It seems like you should teach them, "Learn to think for yourself, even if someone says something or believes in something it is not inherently true." But that is a scary thing to teach a child, as an effective teaching of such would invariably lead to them thinking differently than you.

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Post by tomblomfield »

mikro2nd wrote: post #188
toephu2 wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need." -Tyler Durden

Or, as I drummed into my kids heads, "If they have to advertise it, it is almost certainly not good for you."

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Post by Nursie »

devsquid wrote: post #133

Man, ads are great. They allow content to be targeted towards people that could potentially not afford the content and towards people that might not necessarily use the product normally. The world is already significantly divided by wealth. Assuming someone poor even has access to a service like Google, imagine if it was behind a paywall. Could they afford it? If not imagine how much of a life advantage someone wealt…

They demand attention I don't want to give. They track my browsing and take information about me without my consent. They try to run code on my computer without even asking permission.

No thankyou.

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Post by Nursie »

calhoun137 wrote: post #43
throwaway425 wrote: post #6

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It's a valid objection. GA at this point is on most websites you visit. The data is forwarded to Google where it's processed and stored forever. GA is one of the biggest threats to privacy on the web, and any company claiming to care about your privacy should not be using it.

I agree with you that it's a valid objection. I disagree however, when you say " any company claiming to care about your privacy should not be using it." That's an easy accusation to throw around, but what is hard to is come up with a better alternative. What is your suggestion, that they should abandon all analytics, or that they should build their own, or do you not have one? Are you willing to acknowledge that GA…

I'm sorry, "we need analytics therefore it's fine to violate privacy" is not good reasoning!

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Post by DanBC »

Nursie wrote: post #218
calhoun137 wrote: post #43

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I agree with you that it's a valid objection. I disagree however, when you say " any company claiming to care about your privacy should not be using it." That's an easy accusation to throw around, but what is hard to is come up with a better alternative. What is your suggestion, that they should abandon all analytics, or that they should build their own, or do you not have one? Are you willing to acknowledge that GA…

I'm sorry, "we need analytics therefore it's fine to violate privacy" is not good reasoning!

But Mozilla doesn't appear to have done that. "We need analytics, and we respect privacy, so we've come up with something that's better than most companies but still not good enough for some of our users".

It's easy to bash someone for hypocrisy when they're trying trying to do the right thing. It's a bit weird seeing this consternation at Mozilla considering just how scummy the other companies are.

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Post by the8472 »

mQu wrote: post #184
gpvos wrote: post #167

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Is that really done to any real extent? The majority of users will have a standard configuration anyway.

Yes and no. In my tests with live traffic (fingerprint,ip) tuple was as good as standard tracking cookie. Sometimes even better because I could match "incognito" modes as well. This was however only for desktop browsers. Mobile has much higher conformity and yielded mostly false positives. YMMV of course but for my purposes it was not worth it.

I imagine ipv6 would drastically reduce the chance of false positives for collisions.
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