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French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by yellowapple »

joeyspn wrote: post #144
harperlee wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Direct democracy only works if most of the voters have: 1) sufficient general education; 2) sufficient domain education; 3) time to read the law; 4) time to reflect on the law; 5) peers to discuss at length and with depth the law; etc. It's more efficient to have delegation systems. The problem is that both politicians and the press are corrupted delegation systems.

Well, you can have delegates that are not actual politicians . Agora Voting [0] (a secure direct democracy platform) allows this kind of political systems... Seriously, there's soft out there that can solve this problem. Thing is nobody gives a shit about these issues and people is brainwashed in such massive scale that horrendous laws are passed w/o proper public scrutiny... [0] https://agoravoting.com/ https://gith…

Do you happen to have a link to an overview on how Agora Voting actually works? Their homepage is way too vague for me to actually get any useful information out of it, and I'm not sure where exactly to look in the GitHub org/repos.

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by yellowapple »

fennecfoxen wrote: post #107
Aissen wrote: post #70

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Not a silver bullet. With this we'd still have the death penalty; or voted for populists measures like banning minarets.

Ooh, what a delightfully aristocratic objection. We can't give the lesser peoples self-rule, they'd rule themselves wrong!! Have you considered any noblesse oblige -style colonization and rule of third-world nations? Sounds like a good match.

> We can't give the lesser peoples self-rule, they'd rule themselves wrong!!

I'd normally take your side on this, but then there's the fact that the Southern United States still exists and is a major reason why U.S. law borders on jingoistic theocracy.

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Post by yellowapple »

mauricemir wrote: post #115
koszik wrote: post #101

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Please take a look at what happened in Athens a few thousand years ago. You'll see that even then people were susceptible to fear mongering and manipulation, so in effect the real power was in the hands of a few. People has always been stupid, there's no way around that, sorry.

The Melian dialogue is what the poster is referring to here for those that did not any classics at school

Today I learned that the Athenians were assholes, at least for awhile. Who knew?

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by yellowapple »

Forbo wrote: post #198
fabulist wrote: post #159

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A lot of people seem who recommend TC seem to think the same about BitLocker. To be fair, TrueCrypt has been audited and the code is freely available; BitLocker is proprietary, and the code is only available to a select few under NDA.

I wouldn't consider TrueCrypt's license to be the best example of "freely available".

In this context, what's important is source-code availability to the general public. A program which has publicly-available source code but is released under a nonfree (or at least potentially nonfree) license is leaps and bounds better than one which doesn't even provide the source code.

Yeah, software freedom is a very good thing, but - in the context of security - it's the source code availability that matters, and that doesn't necessarily require a FOSS license.

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Post by honeybooboo123 »

cm2187 wrote: post #61
easytiger wrote: post #56

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> This is how democracy dies. We need a system of government that allows scientists and thinkers to have a weighted power balancing politicians. POliticians cannot be trusted by definition

No, you need direct democracy. With modern communications, there is no reason to organize frequent elections on key issues, like in Switzerland.

No, we need to stop believing that we need to be ruled over by a bunch of psychopaths.

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by Ragnarork »

c2prods wrote: post #80

THIRTY FUCKING ASSHOLES. There are 577 deputies in France and only 30 of them are present to vote Big Brother. Fortunately, there are several steps to go: it has to be approved by the Senate and then the Conseil Constitutionnel (in charge of the Constitution) might still reject it. Nevertheless, this proves how much our political leaders DO NOT understand the Internet.

Actually, five voted against, so you may want to revise that number of assholes :)

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Post by nske »

agumonkey wrote: post #67
eloisant wrote: post #34

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Well, the NSA was really pissed when Snowden revealed they did it secretly but France is passing a law to do it officially.

I don't know if being open and going through the legal means is better than secretly spying.

I think it is better, in the way that if enough people care about it, there will be strong reactions which will pressure the senate to not sign it and the parliament to withdraw it.

And if not, well, cynical as it might be, the people's majority will have gotten what they deserved, without having a good excuse (not knowing) and only the few that cared will be the real victims.

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Post by easytiger »

flurdy wrote: post #129
harperlee wrote: post #120

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Direct democracy only works if most of the voters have: 1) sufficient general education; 2) sufficient domain education; 3) time to read the law; 4) time to reflect on the law; 5) peers to discuss at length and with depth the law; etc. It's more efficient to have delegation systems. The problem is that both politicians and the press are corrupted delegation systems.

So true. But.. "It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried." - Winston Churchill.

Why is why we are proposing a new one

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by easytiger »

fennecfoxen wrote: post #107
Aissen wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a silver bullet. With this we'd still have the death penalty; or voted for populists measures like banning minarets.

Ooh, what a delightfully aristocratic objection. We can't give the lesser peoples self-rule, they'd rule themselves wrong!! Have you considered any noblesse oblige -style colonization and rule of third-world nations? Sounds like a good match.

So you are saying uninformed populist opinions should be made policy

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Post by ryanlol »

fweespeech wrote: post #157
vacri wrote: post #152

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I don't know the full story, but word 'round the campfire is that it's been compromised by a certain TLA. In any case, there's huge red letters saying "TrueCrypt is not secure" right next to their download links: http://truecrypt.sourceforge.net/

http://istruecryptauditedyet.com/ > The TL;DR is that based on this audit, Truecrypt appears to be a relatively well-designed piece of crypto software. The NCC audit found no evidence of deliberate backdoors, or any severe design flaws that will make the software insecure in most instances. Your argument is just so wrong :/

Are you seriously implying that there's never any security issues discovered after audits?
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